It is with great pleasure that we present this record of the Webb family extending over 150 years. We are very proud of our early ancestors, as they came to Australia with stout hearts and the will to work and forge their way to a better life. They battled on at various works, turning their hands to any job that came their way.
Stockmen on larger farms, driving bullock wagons of the early years and building a brick chimney in the home to make living easier, until finally they were able to start their own farm and build a more stable home
With the large families they had those early days, the land could not support all descendants of the pioneers, so they have gone forth into every walk of life and we pray we will uphold the fortitude and courage of those who went before.
The very time consuming task of tracing the family tree has been a combined effort of many of our family members and we are very thankful for all their help and encouragement in this project which is a new field of endeavour for us.
Our Webb family has been a very close knit family and at the sad times of the passing of one of our members, we would meet together to pay our respects. In October, 1979, three of our cousins passed away in one week and the family decided to arrange our first Family Reunion, to be held on the second Sunday in November at the Avon Dam. This was a great success and a very enjoyable day. We have since then held one each year, but the later ones were held at Robertson Showground.
Bessie Fackender, Pamela Aleckson, Lynette Twist.
Digital Copy & Additions by Graham Webb
EXPLANATION OF ARMS AND ORIGIN OF NAME
For the family name of Webb
ORIGIN OF NAME—according to A Dictionary of British Surnames by P. H. Reaney, considered the most authoritive writer on British surnames and their origins, the ancient origin of the family name of Webb was Anglo-Saxon, carried to Britain by the plundering raids of the Saxons from Schleswig (described as ‘Migratory Invasions’ by more charitable historians than Reaney), about the period 450-500 A.D., five centuries prior to the Norman invasion and conquest of Britain. This period of time saw raids by these Nordic warriors, more often called Danes, Vikings or Norsemen, on most countries of the then-known world. Consequently their influence on the origins of names in both Europe and Britain was considerable and widespread.
The origin of the name was first noted and recorded in Britain in the year 1100, being noted to the person of Alger se (son of) Webba in the County of Devon, and the spelling of Webb has evolved from this source.
EXPLANATION OF THE ARMS—in heraldry, the colour Gules (red), is the martial colour and is significant of Military Fortitude and Magnanimity. It was also the martyr’s colour, but this significance is not evident in the arms of Webb.
GOLD—one of the two metals of armory, is significant of Generosity and, according to Sir John Ferne, denotes ‘Elevation of Mind’. It is pointed out by Guillim, considered the most authoritive of the ancient heraldic writers however, that the term ‘Generosity’ is not intended to portray one prone to the mass distribution of his worldly possessions with reckless abandon, either misguidedly or otherwise; but denotes a ‘bearer of arms’ considered by his Sovereign to be of a magnanimity which would display both true fortitude in defeat and a true Christian Charity in victory.
THE CROSS—in this composition of arms denotes the actual participation of its bearer in the Holy Wars. Because this bearing does denote one who was prepared to enterprise a bloody and cruel war in defence of the Christian Faith, it is held by some writers to be the most honourable in all armory.
THE FALCON—was granted to those who had proven an ability to devise and execute stratagems to the great disadvantage of enemies.
THE EAGLE—usually presented with wings ‘displayed’ (spread), signifies a man of action, evermore involved in high and weighty affairs; ingenious, speedy in apprehension and judicious in matters of ambiguity. The spread wings offer protection to the loyal; the gripping talons warn of rending and ruin to rebels and evil-doers. The eagle was borne as an emblem by the ancient kings of Persia and Babylon and, Marius, 102 B.C., made the eagle alone the ensign at the head of the Roman Legions.
When the first fleet arrived in Australia, they came to a country only inhabited by the Aborigines, so they were dependent for all their needs, on what they brought out from England, and if a supply ship was lost on the way, it caused very great hardship and starvation in the colony.
As the colony became more self-supporting, growing more food, and the land being opened up to the north, west and south, conditions improved and by the 18305 more and more people were arriving in the colony. There were labourers and craftsmen, rich men in search of adventure, and poor men seeking a way to improve their lot in a new land which one day, they hoped would be a great country.
There were professional men, scientists, engineers, botanists and geologists, all ready to use their skills to build this new country. Farmers who had fled from the crowded and poor conditions in the old country, were hungry for land on which to try their farming abilities.
The white sailed ships sailed into the beautiful Sydney Harbour, where the weary travellers disembarked with their families and their piles of luggage, before going their various ways.. Some remained in the towns as they were full of opportunities. The more adventurous warned to start exploring at once.
This new great continent with its blazing sun, and dust storms, its gum trees and strange animals. Kangaroos hopping through the bush, Koalas looking down sleepily from the heights of their favourite eucalyptus tree. The duck billed platypus hiding in its burrow by the creek. The noisy birds, Kookaburras greeting the day with their hearty laugh,
Currawongs, and brightly coloured parrots and its flocks of Galahs rising like a pink cloud. Miles and miles of sun bleached country, its great rivers and mangrove swamps, its mountains dividing the coastline from the spacious inland country. A land as old as antiquity, but new in exploration and civilization.
To this scene in Australia our Webb pioneers emigrated, sailing on the Woodbridge, and arriving on 15th September, 1838.
Log of the ship “Woodbridge”
Thank you to Peter Charles Andrews
The report by Alexander Stewart ,MD. R.N. the Surgeon Superintendent of the ship WOODBRIDGE provides information about the voyage to Sydney from England of passengers and their children,who were mainly farm workers from the counties of Kent,Sussex and Wiltshire. It tells the story of the voyage of Abraham Andrews,30 years and his wife Sarah (nee Gibbs) 26 years and their 3 children,Jane,7 years and 5 months,Eliza,3 years and 6 months and George 7 weeks and 4 days from Cowes, Isle of Wight to Sydney Cove. Abraham commenced the voyage on Wednesday the 2nd May 1838 and arrived at Sydney Cove on Saturday the 15th September 1838 and disembarked from the ship on Tuesday the 18th September 1838,the voyage taking a total of 4 months and 16 days.
On the 22nd April 1838, I was appointed by Lord Glenelg (Secretary of State for the Colonies),as Surgeon Superintendent of the Emigrant ship “Woodbridge” bound for Sydney. Being completed with water and provisions the ship was dropped down from Deptford to Gravesend the 22nd of same (April),then the following day,76 persons were embarked and 61 more on the 24th completing the number to be taken on board in the river (Thames). They were chiefly farm labourers from the counties of Sussex and Kent and generally healthy,but a few of the children had a pustular eruption on the face,said by the parents to have taken place after vaccination. In the afternoon of the 25th we got under weigh and again anchored in the sea reach,the winds becoming unfavourable and blowing strong. 26th 4.00pm got up anchor and made sail in the evening,the wind and the tide being against us,the ship was brought up at Mole. At noon on the 27th again weighed anchor,made all sails and having a fair breeze the ship came to anchor off Cowes,Isle of Wight at 11am on the 28th April. On the 2nd May embarked 130 emigrants from Wiltshire,the greater number of these were also farm servants and married with families.The day after the last came aboard I found out that some of the children were suffering from whooping cough,but with one exception, of a mild character. No means could be adopted for the separation from the healthy and I am happy to say no serious consequences followed. Only a few cases subsequently occurred and these were very mild requiring some medical treatment. On the 7th May at 7.00am weighed and made all sail running through The Needles with a modest breeze and fine weather.
During the month of May the weather was fine with moderate breezes. The thermometer averaged at noon,63 degrees,maximum 83 degrees,in latitude 7 degrees north,minimum 50 degrees off Cowes,nine days of which rain fell,chiefly near the equator and in heavy showers of short duration. Winds were 7 days NE,1 day NEbE,1 day NNE,I day NW,I day NNW,3 days SW,1 day SSE,1 day SEbE,3 days E,1 day EbS,7 days ENE,I day EbN,3 days variable with calms. 48 cases were put on the sick list principally obstipatic and dysenteric. Many of the females suffered much from sea sickness,of whom 30 were cured and two children died,one of inanition and the other from dysentery.
June for the most part ,fine with moderate and variable winds.Thermometer averaged 77 degrees,maximum 85 degrees in a latitude 4 north,minimum 66 degrees in latitude 28 degrees south. 17 days of which rain fell in heavy transient showers with occasional thunder and lightning. Winds 1 day NE,9 days SE,3 days SSE,1 day SEbE and 13 days variable with calms. Added to the sick list 55,cured 54,two children died of dysentery,the same diseases prevailed as the last month.
JULY 1838 July,on the 21st of this month,finding the bowel affections continuing on unabated and also with symptoms of scurvy making their appearance,I judged it necessary for the benefit of the health of the emigrants to put into some port to enable me to procure fresh provisions. Accordingly I wrote to the Master of the ship requesting him to take her to the nearest convenient harbour for that purpose. On the same day we arrived at Simmons Bay,Cape of Good Hope,where I purchased 2501 pounds of beef and mutton and half that quantity of mixed vegetables,having also taken on board 8 tons of water. No fruit was available. We proceeded on our passage on the 26th. The weather this month was more unsettled,the winds being stronger and a good deal of thick foggy atmosphere. The29th and the 30th days were particularly thick and muggy with torrents of rain and much thunder and lightning, which so injured our remaining fresh beef that a survey was held upon it and 887 pounds were thrown overboard,being unfit for use. The thermometer averaged 60 2/3 degrees,maximum 66 degrees at 29 degrees south latitude,minimum 56 degrees in the latitude 34 degrees south. Nine days of rain fell with the exception of the two days stated above in moderate passing showers. 34 were added to the sick list,32 cured and 4 died,3 children of dysentery and 1 of aptha of the mouth and fauces.
August,the weather was very unsettled and the decks were wet ,but no injurious effects to the health of the people. The sick list,remarkably diminished since the issue of fresh provisions. Thermometer averaged 53 degrees,maximum 64 degrees in latitude 39 south ,minumum 49 degrees in latitude 38 south. 19 days of rain fell in transient but heavy showers with occasional hail. The winds chiefly westerly,suddenly shifting around to the north and south,blowing strong with occasional gales and thick weather. The winds were 2 days N,2 days NNE,1 day NE,4 days NW,2 days NNW,2 days NWbW,8 days WNW,2 days WSW,3 days WbS,2 days SSW,1 day SW and 1 day variable and calm. 16 were added to the sick list,19 cured and a married female died from the debilitating effects of sea sickness.
September,on the 15th,the Woodbridge anchored in Sydney Cove and the morning of the 18th,the emigrants were disembarked. With the exception of one child,all were healthy. The weather this month was generally fine,with light and moderate breezes,no rain. The Thermometer averages 50 1/2 degrees,maximum 67 degrees in Sydney Cove,minimum 48 degrees in latitude 40 south. 2 added to sick list,29 discharged,one of whom was a married woman died of dysentery.
The Sydney Gazette dated Tuesday 18 September 1838 in the Ships News Column stated:”The emigrant ship Woodbridge is a vessel well adapted for the conveyance of settlers to our shores,her between decks,being more than seven feet in height,and very spacious. The emigrants on board appear to be in a mostly healthy state,and their berths and other accommodation do great credit to the commanding officers on board,and also the Surgeon Superintendent,Alexander Stewart,Esq.,R.N. The only deaths on board this vessel during her passage were eight young children.(In actual fact the deaths were 8 children and 2 married women). Messrs R.Campbell & Co.are her Agents.The emigrants will be landed this day,and as they are principally agricultural labourers,there will be a good opportunity for the settlers to provide themselves with such as they may require.” The article went on to say the Woodbridge was due to leave Sydney Cove in about a fortnight.
Persons who died on the voyage
1 May 1838 William LAWRENCE 7 months Inanition
26 May 1838 George HOLLEY 4 years Remittent Fever
1 June 1838 Henry BARTHOLEMEW 2 1/2 years Dysentery
4 June 1838 Jane HEWITT 18 months Dysentery
9 July 1838 Diana BIFFIN 13 months Dysentery
15 July 1838 Mrs MORRIS 41 years Inanition Sea Sickness
16 July 1838 William HARWOOD 7 months Dysentery
28 July 1838 George WEBB 11 months Croup
20 August 1838 baby MORRIS 12 months Dysentery
4 September 1838 Mrs BARTHOLEMEW 29 years Dysentery
6 People died of dysentery (an infectious disease marked by the inflammation and ulceration of the lower part of the bowels),1 of remittent fever,2 of Inanition (exhaustion from the lack of nourishment-starvation caused by sea sickness), 1 of croup (inflamation of the larynx especially in children)
The sick list kept by Alexander Stewart shows that Abraham Andrews was treated on the 28th May for dysentery and cured on the 30th May. Sarah Andrews was treated on the 31st May for constipation and cured on the1st June. Jane Andrews was treated on two occasions,once on the 7th May and cured on the 20th May and again on the 29th July for a scalded shoulder and cured on the 4th August. George Andrews was treated on the 3rd May and cured on the 8th. Eliza was not treated for any sickness during the voyage. It is interesting to note that Abraham died at the age of 73 years,Sarah at 77 years,Jane at 80 years,Eliza at 38 years and George at 64 years. Thomas Biffin, who came from Wiltshire with his family on the Woodbridge, is the maternal great great great grandfather of the author Peter Andrews.
Persons born on the voyage
2nd July 1838 James LANHAM
17th August 1838 Sarah Ann STACE
28th August 1838 Sarah Jane BIFFIN
On Monday the 17th September 1838 the following two articles appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald:
1. Shipping Intelligence : From Portsmouth,same day,having sailed the 7th May,the Ship “Woodbridge”,Captain Dobson with 260 government emigrants,under the superintendence of Dr. Stewart.
2. The undermentioned immigrants,with their families,who arrived on the ship “Woodbridge”,on the 15 September,under the superintendence of Alexander Stewart,Esq.,R.N.,will be landed on the 19th instant,at the Immigrant Buildings,Bent Street; and persons desirous of engaging their services are requested to apply to the Superintendent,at the Buildings,the following day.
Agricultural Labourers 45
Single women Dairywomen 2
General Servants 3
Immigration Office, September 16,1838
WEBB FAMILY DAY
Flushed with excitement we came to Farleigh
Our minds travelled back o’er the years, They would have seen the Bull’s Inn Pub
In the graveyard they would have shed tears.
They would have walked down the old pathway To St. Mary’s stout timbered door,
Many times they walked o’er old Medway Bridge Before they came to our shore.
They laboured hard in our sun burnt land
Australia needed folk of their worth, As farmers these men of the soil toiled on
Here in this land of our birth.
Our footprints we left where they left theirs
On the well-worn path to the door,
And we prayed that the peace of that beautiful place Like a mantel would cover us all.
Don’t grieve for the faces that aren’t with us today ‘Cos their memory will ever remain,
Its families like ours that are so truly blessed As we gather again and again.
WEBB COUNTRY KENT
Les and Bessie travelled from Royal Tunbridge Wells to East and West Farleigh on their way to Maidstone.
“Our emotions were high as we saw the Church at East Farleigh, after parking the car we ventured inside the Bulls Inn Pub and took a seat by the log fire, as we sat and sampled a glass of English cider our eyes took in the very low ceilings and the old decor of the room.
“Whilst soaking up the atmosphere and quietly warming ourselves we wondered how many of our ancestors had done the same. We wondered about their occupation? Were they hop growers or were they cherry orchardists? It appears their descendants have a love of the soil. (Legend has it that Robert and Sarah Webb operated a boarding house for some time in Sydney after their arrival here.) Working in the hop fields was the major occupation of folk in the Maidstone area in the 1830s and earlier.
“What made them undertake the 25,000 kilometres passage to Australia? Conditions were very bad in England at that -time and bright prospects of this country were being well advertised. Australia needed immigrants with farming abilities but it is doubtful whether their experience in the old country would have been of any practical use under the severe conditions that prevailed here at that time. However history tells us of a perseverance of that generation that we youngsters of today can only marvel at.
St. Mary’s Anglican Church, East Farleigh. Built in 960 A.D
“We walked around the graveyard of the old St. Mary’s Church which was built in 960. Many of the headstones are so weather beaten that they are unreadable. We saw Maidstone in the distance, the orchards and the old stone bridge over the Medway, we stood and wondered in silence, lost in our own thoughts of admiration for those who went before. We thought of Australia so far away—of the intervening years as told in our history books, the courage of Robert and Sarah all those years before—we thought of our own dear family and of our very much larger Webb family and we hoped that our experience in walking in our ancestors’ footprints could be shared.
East Farleigh Bridge, River Medway.
Maidstone is a large town and the capital of Kent. It has a population of some 121,000 people and is a very crowded and bustling city and we found parking very hard. We toured the museum, library and All Saints Church. The old church and its history was fascinating and even more so the buildings around it. The Bishop’s Palace and the very old stables are now put to 1985 use but retain the outside appearance of former times. The Palace itself is made up of five different halls and are available for public use on a hire basis. Another section is a music centre and yet another the headquarters of the Sea Scouts. Very old and faded headstones go right to the old church door. The original old church spire was struck by lightning in September 1730 and burned down.
“We again were at peace in this sacred and beautiful place and as we gazed into the water of the fast flowing stream that rushed through to the Medway we felt a closeness of the history. It all did really happen, everything was so old, we marvelled at the architecture as we tried to take it all in.
“We weren’t able to do any family research as such, we did try to seek a few things out only to be confounded by the enormous amount of Webb names in the phone book there. On a trip such as ours there was the continual conflict within ourselves, ‘will we stay another day here, or will we press on to other parts of England?’ We two being the inquisitive souls that we are, the latter seemed to win out every time. We soon learnt that gathering one’s history is very time consuming in England as well as here and a lot of their records are now being indexed and are available to us here. One needs more time to research here also. We found it more exhilarating to walk the fields they walked trying to find what things were like in their time—to see the things they would have seen.”
THE SHIP WOODBRIDGE
The families of Robert and David Webb arrived in Australia on the ship Woodbridge. Also on board was Caroline’s sister and her family; Sarah and William Baxter.
The following information was obtained from the State Archives of New South Wales.
Built: Calcutta in 1809.
Departed: Portsmouth, Cowes, England on 7th May, 1838. Arrived in Sydney, Australia, 15th September, 1838 taking 131 days.
Master’s Name: W. B. Dobson.
Lading: 260 emigrants and their families, 299 in all. Ports touched during the passage: Cape Simmons Bay.
Superintendent: Dr. Stewart.
Sickness Report: Dysentery affections chiefly among the children of whom 8 have died of that disease and inanition. Two women, one from dysentery and the other of inanition. (Starvation, serious emaciation due to insufficient food intake.) Prevailed within the typhus, 55 in all put on list of bowel affections, do not consider it infectious.
First voyage as a convict ship, sailed from London via the Cape with 230 males, 1 death. Arrived in Sydney with 229 males on the 26th February, 1840, taking 133 days.
A further voyage as a convict ship sailed on the 3rd September, 1843 with 204 females, no recorded deaths. 204 landed at Hobart on the 25th December, 1843. Taken from the list of Convict ships.
David and Caroline Webb.
PARTICULARS FROM THE SHIPPING LIST THE ARCHIVES
ROBERT WEBB: Married male immigrant.
Arrived by ship Woodbridge, 15th September, 1838, Captain Dobson.
Left England 7th May, 1838. Brought out by Government.
A native of East Farleigh in Kent, son of Robert Webb, labourer of same place, and Sarah Lamb his wife.
Calling: Agricultural labourer.
Age on embarkation: 34 years, 17th March, 1838.
State of bodily health, strength and probable usefulness: Very good.
Remarks: Read and write—no complaints.
MARY ANN WEBB: Married female immigrant.
Arrived by ship Woodbridge, 15th September, 1838, Capt. Dobson.
Left England 7th May, 1838. Brought out by Government.
A native of East Farleigh, Kent, daughter of John Harris, labourer of same place and Elizabeth Child, his wife.
Calling: Lived at home.
Age on embarkation: 29 years on 20th February, 1838.
State of bodily health and strength and probable usefulness: Very good.
Remarks: Cannot read or write—no complaints.
1 Female Child: 4 years, 13th April, 1838. Elizabeth Webb.
DAVID WEBB: Married male immigrant.
Arrived by ship Woodbridge, 15th September, 1838, Capt. Dobson.
Left England 7th May, 1838. Brought out by Government.
A native of East Farleigh in Kent, son of Robert Webb, labourer.
Age on embarkation: 31 years, 2nd March, 1838.
State of health, strength and probable usefulness: Very good
Remarks: Read and write—no complaints.
CAROLINE WEBB: Married female immigrant.
Arrived by ship Woodbridge, 15th September, 1838, Capt. Dobson.
Left England 7th May, 1838. Brought out by Government.
A native of Hoocommon in Kent, daughter of George Urige, Bailif of same place and Frances, his wife.
Calling: Lived at home.
Age on embarkation: 28 years, 10th June, 1838.
State of bodily health and strength: Very good.
Remarks: Read and write—no complaints.
Family: 1 daughter, 8 years Charlotte
2 sons, 7 years George
3 years William.
David and Caroline Webb (seated). Robert Webb centre back.
AFTER ONLY 50 YEARS OF COLONIZATION, SYDNEY WAS ALREADY A FLOURISHING TOWN WITH A LARGE HOSPITAL, PRISON, AN OBSERVATORY AND FORTIFICATION.
THE BIRTH PLACE OF A NATION
The first Europeans to settle in Australia arrived in January, 1788, in the ships of the first fleet, under the command of Captain Arthur Phillip, who was later to become the first Governor of New South Wales. There were over 1,000 men, women and children on board, some of these children were born on the voyage out to the new colony. They were a medley of people including pick pockets, forgers, shop lifters, highway men, prostitutes, poachers and petty thieves. Few of these people were ever to see England again. It would be hard to imagine less suitable material to build a new nation. The first fleet was luckier than many of the later arrivals as only 30 died during the eight months voyage.
In appalling contrast, was the lot of the second fleet, which reached Sydney in 1790. Of more than 1,000 men and women shipped from England, about a quarter died on the voyage out, and another 100 died within a month of landing, while many more were left permanent invalids. The conditions on the boat were indescribable. The contractors were paid a set sum for each convict who embarked, which covered transport and food. Therefore the more that died, the fewer they had to feed, and the greater would be their profit. After this an enquiry was held and a reasonably humane supervision was introduced for future voyages.
Over the next 40 years the total immigration figures were 63,000 convicts and 14,000 free immigrants. Progress was fast and spectacular despite the trials and tribulations of those turbulent years.
In 1838 Sir George Gipps was appointed Captain General and Governor-in-chief of New South Wales and Van Diemans Land and held office until 1846. In the 50 years between the first landing at Botany Bay and the arrival of Governor Gipps the economy of N.S.W. was to a large extent based on the ready supply of convict labour, but in 1838 the system of assigning of convict labour was abolished in N.S.W. and by 1840 the transport of convicts to New South Wales ceased.
An expanding colony offered opportunities to many people including some convicts, but in fact the majority of convicts never rose above the lowliest positions. It was their children who were able to raise their social and economic standing in the colony. In 1838 the weekly ration for a male convict was 121b. wheat, 71b. of mutton or beef or 41/21b. salt pork, 2oz. of salt, and 2oz. soap. Annually he was entitled to 2 jackets, 3 shirts, 2 pairs trousers, 3 pairs shoes and 1 hat or cap.
At this time there was a boom in wool production which was sustained by a large inflow of capital from Britain.
Between 1837 and 1839 it was reported as the worst drought since the settlement began. Many rivers dried up and a bucket of water sold for 3/- along the mountain road between Sydney and Bathurst. Milk, cheese and vegetables were scarce. The price of wheat, flour and bread rose so steeply that Governor
Gipps arranged imports of rice and grain from India and South America, but by the time this was implemented the colony was again producing in quantity which caused a glut on the market.
Droughts, unemployment and demands for self rule were just a few of the problems which confronted Governor Gipps.
The first half of Governor Gipps term of office was a relatively quiet period for him, then in 1841 came the turning point with the beginning of an economic depression. This was particularly embarrassing as he had committed the Government to a large expenditure of subsidising immigration. It must have been galling for such a conscientious public servant to be censured by the colonial office for his improvidence.
In 1840, Gipps received instruction from the Colonial Office, that all crown land outside towns was to be sold at a fixed price of 1 pound per acre. He obeyed the instruction, but pointed out that the uniform price secured appropriation of the best land first, that it secured the occupation is very doubtful, and that it secured the cultivation of them much more doubtful.
Governor Gipps was a gifted administrator who held unyieldingly to his principles despite pressure from the settlers. Gipps was a sick man, suffering from Asthma and Malaria. He was already broken in health, when he sailed from Sydney in 1846, and he died in England a year later.
ROBERT AND SARAH WEBB
ROBERT WEBB m. SARAH LAMB on 28.11_1790 Stockbury, Kent
Lived and died at East Farleigh. Maidstone, Kent.
ch.1 ROBERT b 17-3-1802 d 24-8-1880
ch.2 DAVID b 2-3-1806 d 4-8-1888
ROBERT AND MARY ANN WEBB
ROBERT b. 17-3-1802 East Farleigh d. 24-8-1880 Moss Vale.
m. MARY ANN HARRIS 20-2-1809 d 1876_
ch. 1 ELIZABETH b_ 10-4-1834 d_ 2-2-1886
ch. 2 GEORGE Bap 21-5-1837 East Farleigh(infant death)
ch. 3 RACHEL b 18-12-1840 d 1-6-1913
ch. 4 SARAH b.1-11-1845 d.28-1-1901
ch. 5 JOHN b. 16-6-1849 d. 20-12-1933
ch. 6 ANN b.3-11-1853 d. 17-12-1951
Robert Webb 1802-1880 Mary Ann Webb (nee Harris)
ROBERT WEBB married MARY ANN HARRIS
ELIZABETH b. Eng. 1834 d. Aust. 2-2-1886
m. JOSEPH LANDSDOWN 16.1-1855 Sutton Forest
1. Mary Ann Elizabeth b. 29-11-1855 d. 18-7-1935
2. Amelia Jane b. 15-10-1857 d. 20-8-1942
3. Alfred Harris b. 15-9-1859 d. 26-4-1932
4. Sarah Elizabeth b. 1861 d. 1924
5. Robert Henry b. 1863
6. Isobel Harriet b. 1865
7. Archie John b. 1871 d. 1962
8. Oliver Phillip James b. 26-12-1874
RACHEL b. Aust. 18-12-1840 Moorebank d. Aust. 1-6-1913
m. GEORGE GILBERT 23-3-1859 b. 19-10-1836 Moss Vale d 15-5-1913
1. Emily Jane b. 15-2-1861 d. 1936. Never married
2. Alice Edith b. 30-3-1865 d. 1-8-1942
m. Frederick G. Cullen
3. Jessie Ann b. 1868 8-11-1924. Never married
4. James Herbert b. 25-10-1870 d. 23-6.1941
m. Janette Mackey
5. Walter Webb b. 17-10-1878 d. 19-9-1927
m. Margaret H. Turnbull b. 12-6-1880 d. 9-12-1959
SALLY b. 1-11-1845
m. EDWARD BLUNT
m. Tom Williams
m. Harry Masters
m. Jack Almond
5. Edward P. J.
m. Richard Duncan
9. Alice Maud
m. Ern Lake
JOHN b. 16-6-1849 d. 26-12-1933
m. ELIZABETH LARKIN b. 16-9-1855 d. 4-10-1936
1. Mary Elizabeth
m. Alfred Murray
2. Alice Ada Kathleen
m. William Swan
3. Percival John Gilbert
m. Mildred May Allen
4. Stanley Harris
m. Adelaide Allen
5. Mabel Blanche
6. Harold Kent
7. Leonard Larkin
8. Ann Maud
9. Harold Kemp
m. (1) Louisa Ward, (2) Dorothy Frost (3) Ethel Allen
10. George Roy
11. Frank Leo
m. Myra Allen
12. Cecil Herbert
m. Amy Harland
m. Isobel Akrigg
14. Lillian Kathleen
m. Patrick Athol Larkin
15. Nellie Irene
m. Gillean McLean
ANNIE b. 3-11-1853 d. 17-12-1951
m. SAMUEL HAYTER 27-11-1878 b. 1856 d. 1941
1. Frank – b.28-3-??
2. Elsie m. Paton
3. Genie b. 23-10-1883 d. 1963
m. John Bernie
4. Hilda m. Hector McIntosh
5. Laurie b. 23-8-1889d. 6.6-1984
m. Jack Feutrill
6. Annie b. 20-12-1891 d. 10-4-1984
m. Sam Davidson
1802-1880 ROBERT WEBB AND MARY ANN HARRIS 1809-1876
We go back to 28-11-1790 and find a record of marriage in the Canterbury Register, England, between Robert Webb, Teamster Yeoman, and Sarah Lamb. They were married at Stockbury, Kent.
We have record of two sons born to this marriage: Robert 1802-1880 m. Mary Ann Harris 1809-1876. David 1806-1888 m. Caroline Uridge 1810-1890. They lived in East Farleigh, Kent and when it came to choose their brides they also were natives of that area.
The two brothers with their wives and families migrated to Australia on the second free emigrant ship the Woodbridge, leaving England on 7th May, 1838 and arriving in Australia on 15th September, 1838. As shown on their shipping record there were no complaints and their state of bodily health and strength was very good.
Robert and Mary Ann had one daughter aged 4 years, named Elizabeth when they arrived in Australia.
A record of a baptism of George Webb at East Farleigh, Kent on 21-5-1837, son of Robert and Mary Ann. This child must have died in England or on the boat coming out as they only had Elizabeth when they reached the new colony. Robert Webb’s death certificate showed 4 males and 1 female deceased, 4 females and 1 male living. David and Caroline had Charlotte, 8 years, 2 sons, George, 7 years and William, 3 years. After Robert and Mary Ann arrived in the colony their journey took them out Liverpool way and they lived at Moorebank where a daughter Rachel was born on 18-12-1840 and was baptised on 17-1-1841, at “St. Lukes”, Liverpool. Their trek then was toward the Moss Vale area and we find the next daughter, Sarah or (Sally) born 1-11-1845, was baptised 7-12-1845, at “All Saints” Sutton Forest. John, the only living son was supposedly the first white boy born at Moss Vale on 16-6-1849, baptised 22-7-1849 at Bong Bong Church by Rev. W. Stone.
At Mittagong, on the same day that John was born two other children, Benjamin Reid and Mary Ann Cooma were born, and all three were baptised in “Christ Church, Bong Bong on the same day. Ann Matilda was also born in Moss Vale on 3-11-1853 and baptised on 4-12-1853. Robert Webb worked for Throsby’s when his son, John, was born, but was a man of many callings as Robert built the first brick chimney in Moss Vale. Later he also had a bullock team carrying business which with his son, John, he conducted between Sydney and Young (Lambing Flat) and also down into Kangaroo Valley. In those early days Moss Vale had only three slab huts with bark roofs. Bullock drays were used for general cartage work and the family was obliged to travel to Berrima to collect their provisions by dray. Only the gentlemen possessed horses in those days. Both Robert and Mary were interred at the Church of England, Bong Bong. An interesting sidelight into the history of Robert Webb shows he had a strong religious background and was a regular churchgoer back in England before emigrating to Australia. Stanley Harold Webb, of Burrawang, has in his possession, a book with the title:
“To the Pious Parishioner—Society for promoting Christian Knowledge” on the cover, with the following inscription inside:
From Rev. Rob. I. Wilberforce
East Farleigh, Kent. 1838.
Keith and Rene Webb, of Bulli, can verify to the authenticity of this. During a visit to England in 1981, they visited East Farleigh and were warmly welcomed by several local residents and were shown over the lovely old church by the verger. He spent over an hour showing them everything and explained that in the villages in olden times the church used to educate the poorer classes for a penny a week. Usually only the oldest child in the family could afford to attend and would then teach the other children. Something the parishioners of East Farleigh are very proud of is the fact that two of their past vicars were sons of William Wilberforce, the famous member of the British Parliament who was instrumental in successfully abolishing slave trading in the British Empire. Indeed, the board showing their list of Vicars, going back to 1279, shows Robert Isaac Wilberforce: 1832-1840; and Henry William Wilberforce: 1843-1850; (a third son, Samuel Wilberforce, became a Bishop at Oxford and later Winchester). Perhaps the Rev. Wilberforce gave the book in question as a farewell present to Robert before leaving for Australia.
It was certainly an exciting and emotional experience being where Keith’s ancestors lived and visiting the church in which they worshipped.
Book presented to Robert Webb by Rev. Robert Wilberforce
ELIZABETH AND JOSEPH LANSDOWN
Children of Robert and Mary Ann Webb
1. ELIZABETH b. 10-4-1834 East Farleigh d. 2-2-1886 Moss Vale.
m. JOSEPH LANSDOWN 16-1-1855 b. 11-2-1834 U.K. d. 27-9-1919 Moss Vale.
ch. 1 MARY ANN b. 29-11-1855 d. 18-7-1935.
ch. 2 AMELIA JANE b. 15-10-1857 d. 20-8-1942 Moss Vale
m. JOHN WADE b. 29-12-1854 d. 19-9-1944.
ch. 3 ALFRED HARRIS b. 15-9-1859 d. 26-4-1932
m. 1. NAOMI PATON d. 1885.
ch. 1 KENNETH DUNCAN b. 1882 d. 1963
m. 2. ELIZABETH WEST d. 1954.
ch. 1 DAVID b. 1890 d. 1956
m. 1 MABEL JAMIESON
m. 2 FLORENCE
ch. 2 ELIZABETH b. 1892 d. 1971
m. FRANCIS WARD 1914 b. 1890 d. 1974.
ch. 1 PHYLIS b. 1915
m. NORMAN BERGMAN 1940.
ch. 2 GWENYTH b. 1919
m. THOMAS FOWLER 1943.
ch. 4 SARAH ELIZABETH b. 1861 d. 1924.
ch. 5 ROBERT HENRY b. 1863.
ch. 6 ISOBEL HARRIET b. 1865.
ch. 7 ARCHIE JOHN b. 1871 d. 1962.
ch. 8 OLIVER PHILLIP b. 26-12-1874.
Joseph Lansdown surrounded by his children on his 80th birthday, 1914. Left to right: Archie, Mary, Alfred, Mill, 0llie, Isobel. Seated: Robert, Joseph, Sarah.
LANSDOWN-ONE OF OUR EARLY
Elizabeth Lansdown (nee Webb) Joseph Lansdown
Mr. Joseph Lansdown, who arrived in Moss Vale in 1853 when the town consisted of five bark-roofed slab huts, had some interesting recollections for the Moss Vale Scrutineer of 1903, fifty years later. These recollections were summarised and published in the August issue of the Berrima District Historical Society’s newsletter by Society member Miss Janet Cosh. Landing in Sydney in November, 1839, Joseph Lansdown was only five years old when he first saw the colony of NSW. The first 14 years, apparently spent in Sydney town, are shrouded by the mists of time and the recollections published in the Scrutineer of May 9, 1903, start from his arrival in Moss Vale in 1853 at the age of 19. “Moss Vale of that time could only boast of five buildings, not such elegant structures as some of those of today, built of bricks and mortar, but of bark and slabs, and poor at that,” Mr. Lansdown said. “The inhabitants—men, women and children—totalled some 27 or 28.”
Why there was some doubt in a population of such small numbers is a matter for speculation. With its five dwellings, Moss Vale had plenty of open land and Mr. Lansdown recalled helping to gather many a crop of wheat or oaten hay off the land south of Argyle St. now part of the commercial centre of the town between the Methodist church and the Royal Hotel.
From the Methodist church to Sutton Forest the country was very sparsely settled and only the old parsonage, Handcock’s and Byrnes’ dwellings could be seen. Most of the land over the whole area was covered with thick bush. Travelling in the 1850s left much to be desired in both speed and comfort and Mr. Lansdown recalled that a trip from Moss Vale to Sydney entailed making one’s way over a rough bush track to Berrima to catch the mail coach. “Then after 15 or 20 hours’ rough riding, arrive nearly worn out and unfit to do much business,” as Mr. Lansdown put it.
Speaking of the Moss Vale-Berrima track, Mr. Lansdown mentioned that he was the one who, in 1857, cut the first track over what was later known as Morrice’s Hill, through dense scrub.
He little thought at the time that this track would one day become the main road between Berrima and Moss Vale. Mr. Lansdown also recalled with some pride, having helped to erect the first dwelling 4, Bowral, a log house which stood for many years at the back of the old hotel in Bong Bong St. Despite his activities in pioneering roads and building, Joseph Lansdown found time, two years after his arrival in Moss Vale, to settle on a small farm, a short distance below the town on Waite’s Creek (now White’s or Whyte’s Creek).
This gave him a particular interest in produce prices and he told the people of -1903 who complained of the cost of such things that in 1855 he had paid 15 shillings ($1.50) a bushel for seed wheat and 10 shillings per hundredweight for seed potatoes.
In the same year he saw potatoes bought at 25 shillings a hundredweight and resold as fast as they could be weighed at 30 shillings. The Scrutineer article concluded: ”He says time has wrought wonders in this district and he assures us that it is astounding to him when he looks around and sees such change.” It is interesting to speculate on what Mr. Lansdown would think of the wonders wrought since 1903 if he could revisit his old home. He died in September, 1919, at the age of 85 and is buried in Bong Bong cemetery with other pioneers of the district.
Amelia Wade daughter of Elizabeth and Joseph Lansdown- Jack Wade, husband of Amelia
Elizabeth Lansdown, daughter of Alfred Harris Lansdown – Alfred Harris Lansdown.
RACHEL AND GEORGE GILBERT Children of Robert and Mary Ann Webb
RACHEL b. 18-12-1840 Moorebank d. 1-6-1913
m. GEORGE GILBERT 23-3-1859 b. 19-10-1836 Moss Vale d. 15-5-1913.
ch. 1 EMILY JANE b. 12-2-1861 d. 1936.
ch. 2 ALICE EDITH b. 30-3-1865 d. 1-8-1942
ch. 3 ELLICE
ch. 4 JOYCE
ch. 5 ANN
ch. 3 JESSIE ANN b. 14-5-1868 d. 8-11-1924.
ch. 4 JAMES HERBERT b. 25-10-1870 d. 23-6-1941
m. JANET MACKIE.
ch. 1 GEORGE PARKINSON b. 1-1-1898 d. 29-3-1930
m. RUBY ELSPETH NORMAN 1924
ch. 1 MARGARET MACKIE
m. ? NEWCOMBE
ch. 2 JAMES MACKIE.
ch. 2 RACHEL KATHLEEN b. 10-7-1899 Burrawang d. 14-8-1970 Bong Bong.
m.DUNCAN ROBERT MACLEAN 28-1-1939
ch. 1 JOAN
m. ? STONE.
ch. 3 DORIS MACKIE b. 1-5-1902
m. WILFRED NORMAN JONES 21-3-1928
ch. 1 LAWRENCE HENRY
ch. 2 NORMA MACKIE
m. ? SOUTHWELL
ch. 4 GWENNETH EMILY b. 1-12-1904
m. STANLEY HAROLD WEBB 20-5-1933
ch. 1 ROBERT JAMES b. 25-3-1934
m. WENDY REID.
ch. 2 ALTHEA b. 25-4-1936
m. ROY HEYHORN.
ch. 3 VALERIE LORRAINE b. 12-10-1939
m. GEOFF WHATMAN.
ch. 5 ALICE NORA b. 6-7-1907
m. JAMES WILLIAM PLANT 14-9-1946
ch. 6 JOYCE LYLE b. 22-2-1911
m. ERIC FRANCIS BRESNAHAN 3-5-1941.
ch. 7 YVONNE GOWRIE b. 23-2-1915 Moss Vale
m. JOHN REDMOND MULQUEENEY 24-11-1952
ch. 1 JANET GILBERT b.
m. ? HOOK-KEE.
ch. 5 WALTER WEBB b. 17-10-1877 d. 19-9-1927
m. MARGARET TURNBULL b. 12-6-1880 d. 9-12-1959
ch. 1 ALAN FERRIS
ch. 2 KEITH TURNBULL
ch. 3 DOROTHY MARGARET
ch. 4 MARION WEBB
ch. 5 RUTH HELEN
ch. 6 JOAN BURNETT
m. ? WHITEHOUSE
Rachel Gilbert (nee Webb) Janet and James Gilbert
Gwen and Stan Webb
Walter Webb Gilbert, fifth child of Rachel
Children of Walter Webb Gilbert. Left to Right Keith, Joan, Ruth, Marion, Dorothy, and Alan
SARAH AND EDWARD BLUNT
Children of Robert and Mary Ann Webb
4. SARAH (SALLY) b. 1-11-1845 Moss vale d. 28-1-1901
m. EDWARD BLUNT b. 3-9-1840 Devonshire, Eng. d. Nov. 1897.
ch. 1 BESSIE ELVIRA b. 1868 d. 25-5-1948 m. TOM WILLIAMS
ch. 1 MAUDE b. 18-2-1892 d m. TOM WHITE b. 1887
ch. 1 MERVYN m.PEG STEWART
ch. 1 DIANNE
ch. 2 JUDITH
ch. 3 PENNY
ch. 2 EDWARD m. DOT SEWELL
ch. 1 JAMES m. JENNY JONES
ch. 1 MELANIE
ch. 3 GORDON m. EFFIE FLEGG
ch. 4 MARJORIE m. BILL SMECKPEPPER
ch.6 ETHEL m. JACK WATTS
ch.7 GEORGE (dec)
ch. 10 EDGAR
Sally Blunt (nee Webb) with 2 of her children.
Tom and Bessie Williams.
Tom Maude and Ted White.
ch. 2 ROBERT b. 1870 m. MINNIE TREMBATH
ch. 1 ROBERT
ch. 2 ERNEST
ch. 3 ELVIRA m. MAURICE PILGRIM
ch. 4 THELMA
ch. 3 LILLIAN MAY b. 1873 m. HARRY MASTERS 1891 b. ? d. 25-7-1951
ch. 1 RUBY m. JACK BRIDGES
ch. 2 HARRY
ch. 3 LESLEY (Bon) m. Muriel
ch. 4 LILLIAN
ch. 5 REGINALD
ch. 4 ELIZABETH b. 1876 m. JOHN ALMOND d. 1940
ch. 1 WINIFRED m. JOHN HAVELEIGH WRAY
ch. 1 Victoria (dec)
ch. 2 John
ch. 3 Phyllis (dec)
ch. 4 Lewis
ch. 5 Haveleigh
ch. 6 Betty
ch. 7 Daphne
-ch. 8 Pamela
ch. 5 EDWARD b. 1878 d. 15-6-1911 m. LIZZIE LOVELL
ch. 1 DOROTHY
ch. 2 WILLIAM
ch. 6 WILIAM b. 1880 i/d
ch. 7 JOHN ELBERT b 1883 d 19-9-1926 m. Amy ?
ch. 1 BETTY
ch. 8 ETHEL MARIE b 28-9-1886 d. 8-10-1975 m. RICHARD CASPER DUNCAN 11-7-1906 b. 28-9-1883 d. 20-11-1971
ch. 1 ISABEL MARIE b. 13-7-1907 m. HILTON ROACH on 6-9-1941 b. 1902 d. 1959
ch. 1 COLIN RICHARD b. 1-8-1942 m. CHRISTINE WHITWORTH 10-11-1965 b. 22-10-1940
ch. 1 CAROLINE ANNE b. 23-2-1970
ch. 2 DEANE RICHARD b. 4-1-1977
ch. 2 WALTER RICHARD b. 6-11-1914 d. 11-10-1980 m. HAZEL MAWSON (nee Dabron) 6-9-1951 b. 17.3.1923
ch. 1 VINCENT MAWSON b. 1944
ch. 9 ALICE MAUD b. 19-8-1889 Newtown, N.S.W. d. 1953 ca. m. ERNEST GEORGE LAKE 29-6-1908 b. 24-6-1884 d. 1-1-1978
ch. 1 DOROTHY IRENE b. 9-1-1909
ch. 2 GLADYS CLARE b. 29-3-1911 m. SIDNEY DICKSON
ch. 3 ERNEST b. 23-8-1919 m. ELEANOR BETTY WARREN 21-4-1945 h. 5-4-1923
ch. 1 GARY ERNEST b. 24-8-1947 m. ELIZABETH DOERNER 19-3-1971
ch. 1 JOANNE ELIZABETH b. 5-4-1972
ch. 2 AMANDA LOUISE b. 3-12-1973
ch. 3 BELINDA ANNE b. 10-2-1976
ch. 2 ROSEMAREE ANNE b. 2-4-1957 m. JOHN STEVEN BARNES 15-7-1978 b. 9-8-1955
ch. 1 HAYLEY MAREE b. 8-10-1979
ch. 2 BROOKE LOUISE b. 13-11-1981
ch. 3 MATTHEW STEVEN b. 19-5-1985
Edward Blunt Jnr.
Lillian Masters (nee Blunt).
Ethel Duncan, Lillian Masters, Maude Lake, Isabel Duncan
Alice Maud and Ernest George Lake.
Ethel Duncan and Winnifred Almond.
THE BLUNT FAMILY
Ethel, the 8th child of Edward and Sally Blunt (nee Webb) married Richard Duncan. They had 2 children, Isabel and Walter.
The Duncan family lived at 202 Doncaster Avenue, Kensington, and Isabel and Walter grew up there, and both married.
Richard Duncan worked in the bakery of Gartrell & White but in March 1920 he bought a milk delivery business which he carried on for 9 years. He sold the run in two parts, because it had become too large for one person to manage. First half sold in 1928. He then sold the second half and retired in March 1929. When Richard retired he also retired his faithful horse “Biddy” to finish her life in the peaceful surroundings of the farm at Dapto. When they came down to visit us they drove a 1929 Silver Anniversary Buick which was a great old car.
Edward Blunt’s family had the first hotel in Parramatta. They had brought silver cutlery and cruet sets from England to start the hotel. Isabel remembers the lovely old cruet sets with all the condiment bottles that they contained and which had come from the hotel. After Ethel and Richard died, Isabel moved to Canberra to live about 1979, as her son Colin and his wife Chris and family were living there. A few years ago Stan and I visited Isabel in her nice home at Canberra. It has been great to be in touch with Isabel Roach (nee Duncan) and she and her son Colin have been very helpful in providing photos of most of the Blunt family, also stories connected with the family. Isabel recalls “It appears that at one time Sally was in love with a brother of Betsy Larkin (who married John Webb), but her father Robert Webb being a staunch C. of E. put an end to the romance. Naturally Sally was very upset when her brother married into the family she wasn’t allowed to. Nevertheless she must have survived the break up of the romance as on 8-3-1868 she married Edward Blunt. The story as to how Grandma Sally met her “Dear Ned” was that he was a guard on the train at Moss Vale Railway Station, and while the train was taking on water for the engine Ned took a walk and espied some juicy apples on a tree. While he was reaching for an apple, Sally came riding by and she was able to reach some for him. I believe she was a very good horsewoman. This meeting was the start of the courtship between Sally and Ned. Sally and Edward Blunt’s family had a close connection with the railway over the years. Their son Edward was killed as a result of a railway accident. This must have been a tragic period in their lives as the next son John Elbert was drowned. Other members of the family are also known to have worked on the railway. Though we have no photo of Edward Blunt, Mum always said he bore a very close resemblance to old King Edward, with a portly figure and pointed imperial beard of which he was very proud. Edward and two other portly gentlemen were the first guards on the North Shore line and were jokingly referred to as the “three fat guards”.
Walter Duncan Isabel Duncan
Sally Blunt (nee Webb) and family members.
WEBB’S REUNION DAY
We meet again this second year The gathering of the clan
To smile and talk a little while And shake our cousin’s hand.
The days have passed so quickly
Since our first reunion day, Let us not waste a moment As we gather here today.
We know that Robert married Mary
In that land across the sea, Then came to fair Australia To raise their family.
Five children blessed the union Four Girls and Grandpa John, He was born in forty-nine The name to carry on.
He was in his middle twenties When he won his colleen’s hand, They made a life together And Elizabeth was our Gran.
They were blessed with many children Their first was Aunty May,
And school was in at Ringwood
When they lived out “Ferndale” way.
Our forebears were to suffer
In those early pioneer days
Small headstones tell the story
Near the church out Bong Bong way.
We’re here today to celebrate
And bless the folk of yore,
Let’s share a thought for all of them The family gone before.
May they live long in memory These folk that we hold dear, We owe a debt to all of them So let us sing and cheer,
As we rejoice and share the joy
This feeling to belong,
Let’s smile, shake hands and come again We folk of Grandpa John.
JOHN AND BETSY WEBB
Children of Robert and Mary Ann Webb
5. JOHN b. 16-6-1849 Moss Vale d. 20-12-1933 Bong Bong.
m. ELIZABETH LARKIN on 28-12-1873 Mittagong b. 14-9-1855 Dapto d. 4-10-1936 Moss Vale.
ch. 1 MARY ELIZABETH b. 22-6-1876
ch. 2 ADA ALICE b. 30-8-1877
ch. 3 PERCIVAL JOHN GILBERT b. 25-10-1878
ch. 4 STANLEY HARRIS b. 23-12-1879
ch. 5 MABEL b. 1881 d. 9-10-1885
ch. 6 ANNIE b. 1882
ch. 7 HAROLD KENT b. 1883 d. 9-10-1885
ch. 8 LEONARD LARKIN b. 1885 d. 4-8-1887
ch. 9 HAROLD KEMP b. 9-5-1888
ch. 10 GEORGE ROY b. 1889 d. 26-6-1890
ch. 11 FRANK LEO b. 27-3-1891
ch. 12 CECIL b. 25-11-1892
ch. 13 WILLIAM b. 6-10-1894
ch. 14 LILLIAN )
Twins b. 8-3-1897
ch. 15 NELLIE )
John Webb. Elizabeth Webb (nee Larkin).
Perc and Mildred, John and Betsy Webb. Betsy Webb (seated) with 3 daughters Lillian, Alice and Nellie
Cecil, Kemp, Frank, Bill and Stan Webb. John Webb (seated).
JOHN WEBB (1849-1933) AND ELIZABETH LARKIN (1855-1936)
John Webb was the only living son of Robert and Mary Ann. He had four sisters, Elizabeth, Rachel, Sally and Annie.
John Webb married Elizabeth Larkin at the Catholic Church at Mittagong on 28th December, 1873. They had a large family of 15, five of whom died in infancy.
When John was born his father worked at Throsby Park and the family lived in a slab but on the banks of Whytes Creek where the railway is now in Argyle Street, Moss Vale. They shared the creek with other white families and were often visited by the local Aborigines, bringing honey to exchange for food.
John was believed to be the first white boy to be born in the Moss Vale area, so therefore he and Moss Vale grew up together. His first memories of Moss Vale would be of a few slab huts with bark roofs. In those days Moss Vale was a wayside watering place where Teamsters rested for the night, and where timber cutters commenced the first inroads into the virgin bush. When John was a small boy he went on the bullock runs with his father and was billy boy, boiling the billy for the tea breaks. As he grew up he took a more active part in working the bullock teams and he and his father had a bullock run between Sydney and Young. He was also very well known with his team between Moss Vale and Kangaroo Valley.
Elizabeth and John remember the surveying of the line from Picton to Goulburn, and Elizabeth’s mother, Elizabeth Larkin, was a passenger on the first train on the new line. The first Station Master at Moss Vale was James Higgs and the first porter was Edward Blunt, who married John’s sister Sally.
Their eldest daughter, May, married Alfred Murray. May and Alfred had 2 sons, but when she died at the age of 35, Edgar and Clifford were left in the care of their grandparents.
About 1890, John Webb purchased the “Ferndale” property at Exeter. He built the house and farm buildings, falling the trees, splitting the slabs, hand squaring and dressing the timber on his own, while his wife and young family carried on the dairy farm on the Larkin property “Galway”, Dapto. While the family were living at “Galway”, Perc and Stan attended West Dapto School. After a few years the family all returned to “Ferndale” where the family all grew up. The children attended the Ringwood Provisional School which was close by, and the school teacher, Hilda Lojdstrom, boarded with the Webb family. As they lived close by, John Webb was caretaker at the school. When it closed the Webb children then went to Exeter School.
When John and Betsy retired from the farm in 1919 the youngest son, William, took it over, and they went to live in “Elouera”, Beaconsfield Road, Moss Vale. They had a large plot of land and a good orchard and vegetable garden. As usual Grandma had a very attractive flower garden surrounding the home.
The dear couple grew old gracefully, still playing their game of cards, sitting by the fire. They maintained their sense of humour over the years and still had a twinkle in their eyes as they told their little jokes.
If we had a quarrel with our brothers, Grandfather told us not to quarrel with our brothers, and informed us he never quarrelled with his brothers. There was pathos to this story as a sister and four brothers died before Grandfather was born.
After several weeks of failing health John passed away aged 84. Buriel took place at Christ Church, Church of England, Bong Bong. Three years later his wife Betsy was laid to rest beside him.
Executors of John’s will were sons, Percy and Stan. Will signed 22.5.1909. Estate sworn at 2962 pounds 7/2 net.
A typical slab but with bark roof.
Bullock team similar to the ones used by John and his father Robert.
PETER LARKIN (1783-1879) AND
BRIDGET CUNNINGHAM (1792-1851)
The story of Peter Larkin starts about two centuries ago when a son was born to Patrick Larkin and his wife, Mary Conrey, in 1783 at Gort, Galway. Patrick was a farmer, so Peter would have grown up on the land and become a farmer also. At this time Ireland was torn apart by political and religious unrest. Under these conditions, Peter grew up and married Bridget Cunningham in 1812. Over the next few years 4 children were born—Bridget, Martin, Patrick and Catherine.
From 1787-1868, English and Irish convicts were transported to the Colony of NSW and our ancestor Peter fell victim to this practice in 1821. He was a member of a society known as Ribbonism. A society which fought for the rights of the oppressed Irish tenant farmers. After a couple of meetings of their branch, known as “Hearts of Steel”, Peter was captured with 2 friends and charged with Burglary and Sedition. He was convicted in 1820 and transported to Australia on the ship John Barry which left Cork Harbour on 16th June, 1821, arriving in Sydney on 7th November, 1821 as a strong and able man and it was noted on the ship’s papers that he be exempt from hard labour. He was fortunate to work for Major George Druitt who was lenient to the convicts in his employ. The Governor of the time was also sympathetic to the needs of the convicts. He was reunited with his wife and family in 1827 when they were brought to Australia at Government expense. Peter’s conditional pardon was issued on 23rd September, 1834.
On 11th December, 1835, Peter applied for a land purchase of 164 acres at Dapto, the purchase price being 41 pounds. This land later became “Galway Farm”. At Dapto Show, 28th January, 1858, he won the prize for best draught mare.
Peter Larkin died 15th February, 1879 and was buried at the Catholic Cemetery, West Dapto. Bridget died in 1851
MARTIN LARKIN (1816-1907) AND ELIZABETH GAIT (1819-1908)
Martin Larkin came to Australia on the ship Brothers which left Cork Harbour on 3rd October, 1826, arriving in Australia on 2nd February, 1827. He was accompanied by his mother, two sisters and a brother. They were reunited with their father after 6 years. Martin married Elizabeth Gait at Wollongong in 1834 and over the years had 14 children. Elizabeth, the 10th child, married John Webb, the son of Robert.
Martin bought land at Dapto in 1832 which was part of “Galway”. The census of 1841 shows him at “Galway Farm” with his wife and two sons. In 1850 he held the first licence to the hotel at Moss Vale. In 1867 he changed the name to “Terminus Hotel” as it was the end of the rail link from Sydney. In 1853 he took over the licence for the “Royal Oak” or “Briars Hotel” at Bong Bong. It is believed he helped William Bowman build this establishment in 1840. He owned much property in the Illawarra, South Coast and Moss Vale districts. Martin discovered kerosene shale on his property at Bundanoon and took out mineral rights. By August 1869 he had 200 ton ready for delivery to the rail head by his son, Peter’s bullock team. Before his death, he went blind, and passed away 31st December, 1907, aged 96. Elizabeth died 21st May, 1908. They were both interred at the Catholic Church, Sutton Forest.
A Testimonial in the Robertson Advocate dated 3rd Jan., 1908 reads:
“The oldest resident of the Moss Vale district died on Tuesday, aged 96 years. He had been for 70 years a resident of the district and kept the first hotel in Bong Bong before Bowral or Moss Vale were heard of. He owned considerable property, Moss Vale being once half his. He leaves a family of 8 sons and 3 daughters. His descendants number 170. He discovered and owned the Exeter Coal Mines and also Bundanoon Colliery. He had been 74 years married and his wife survives him at 89 and possesses every faculty”.
Martin and Elizabeth Larkin.
PATRICK LARKIN m. MARY CONREY
PETER LARKIN married BRIDGET CUNNINGHAM
178 3 – 1 8 78 1 792 – 1 8 5 1
BRIDGET *MARTIN PATRICK CATHERINE
ca. 1814-1849 ca. 1816-1907 ca. 1818-1889 ca. 1820-1865
m m. m. m.
1. Edward Birmingham Elizabeth Gaite Ann Bradley Patrick Staunton
2. James Keogh 1819-1908
Mary John Peter Francis William Thomas James Martin Patrick Bridget *Elizabeth Ann Catherine Sarah Edward
1834 1836-1919 1840-1928 1844 1846 1847 1849 1851 1853-1945 1855-1936 1858-1899 1859 1862 1865
m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m.
T. Nunan 1. A. Cooney Matilda Julia Bridget Eliz. Catherine Mary John Halls John Webb T. Lackey E. Williams Mary
2. M. Fitzgerald Jeckyl Cronin Halls McInerney Gough Hart 1858-1911 1849-1933 Fahey
Mary E. Alice Percival Stanley Mabel Harold Leonard Ann Kemp George Frank Cecil William Lillian Nellie
1876-1911 1877-1953 1878-1960 1879-1940 1881-1885 1883-1885 1885-1887 1889-1947 1889-1890 1891-1963 1892-1973 1894-1928 1897 1897-1976
m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m. m.
Alf Murray W. Swan Mildred Allen Adelaide Allen 1. Louie Ward Miriah Allen A Harland I Akrigg 1. Athol Larkin G McLean
?-1969 1877-1931 1882-1949 1880-1944 2. Dorrie Frost 1893-1974 1894-1961 1897-1937 2.Ken Wills
3. Ethel Allen
Sketch of ” GALWAY” farm house, home of the Larkin family.
“Ferndale” Exeter. Home of John and Betsy 1890-1919. John built the house and the farm buildings, felling the trees, splitting the slabs, hand squaring and dressing the timber on his own.
“Elouera” Moss Vale. Ca. 1920. Dos., Doll, ?, Kemp, Lillian, Edgar, Betsy and John.
‘WAY BACK IN THE ‘EIGHTIES
“Post” interviews Two of the Oldest Residents
of Moss Vale
REMINISCENCES OF EARLY SCENES AND HAPPENINGS
In accordance with the desire of many people for the preservation of early history of various country districts as well as metropolitan, the Moss Vale Post has been fortunate in arranging an interview with Mr. and Mrs. John Webb, of Beaconsfield Road, Moss Vale, two of the oldest residents of the town and district. They have retentive memories and keen recollections of the early scenes and happenings in and around Moss Vale stand out in bold perspective in the minds of this interesting couple.
“Elouera”— the cosy little home of Mr. and Mrs. John Webb—reposes among numerous fruit trees on a hillside, some distance from the road, and is surrounded by well-kept flower and vegetable gardens, carefuly tended by this homely couple.
When interviewed by The Post, Mr. Webb’s eyes sparkled as he related the early history of Moss Vale—and the many interesting happenings back in the Eighties, when there were but three slab huts here, and a few white people. Occasionally when asked certain questions, he laughed; saying, “Oh, it won’t interest anyone!” But the “early history” of any part of New South Wales is welcomed, and undoubtedly treasured by the younger generation, nowadays seldom given many opportunities of reading it.
Mr. John Webb, who is 81 years of age, was the first white boy born in Moss Vale. At Mittagong, on the same day, two other children, Benjamin Reid and Mary Ann Cooma, were born, and all three were christened in the old Bong Bong Church, on July 22, 1849. Mary Ann Cooma was afterwards Mrs. Ned Swan, of Big River, close to East Kangaloon of today.
An interesting feature of the story is the fact that three generations of the Webb family, have been christened in the same church: Mr. John Webb, his son, Mr. Stanley Harris Webb, and his grandson, Lloyd Francis Webb, who was brought from West Kangaloon for the purpose.
THE EARLIEST DAYS
Mr. John Webb remembers when there were but three slab huts in Moss Vale. They had bark roofs, and one was situated where Dr. O’Reilly’s residence now stands, the second between the railway bridge and the refreshment rooms, and the third in the vicinity of Spring Street.
My father, Robert Webb, built the first brick chimney in Moss Vale, just on 62 years ago,” said Mr. Webb. “Bullock drays were used for carrying the materials. We had to drive into Berrima for provisions, too. It was a slow process, but we derived a great deal of pleasure out of it. Only the ‘gentlemen’ possessed horses and carts in those days!”
Messrs. Harry Royer and Lewis Levy kept the first two stores in the town, the former also in charge of the post office—a very small room at the end of his store south of the present railway bridge.
THE COMMERCIAL BANK
The old Commercial Bank was built by Mrs. Webb’s father, Mr. Martin Larkin. It was a weatherboard structure, and was on the site where Mr. Moss’ butcher shop now stands. The manager of the bank was Mr. Walter Wood. Mr. Larkin also built the offices for the earliest newspaper printed in Moss Vale; they adjoined the bank, and the first issue was printed in the parlor of the Terminus Hotel—afterwards remodelled extensively and named the Royal. The proprietor of the newspaper was Mr. William McCourt.
The first hotel in Moss Vale was built and owned by Mr. Larkin and was known as the “Moss Vale Inn”. It stood on a site between Messrs. S. Whyte and Son’s tailor shop, and the railway embankment.
THE NEW RAILWAY
Mr. John Webb clearly remembers the men surveying the route for the railway from Picton to Goulburn. Mrs. Webb’s mother, Mrs. Larkin was among those who travelled on the first train that negotiated this new line.
“My mother,” explained Mrs. Webb, “was present when Lady Belmore, the Governor’s wife, planted an oak tree in Belmore Park, Goulburn. The tree is still flourishing,” she added. “I was there a short time ago—and it is ever so big, now!”
“And how long ago was that?” Mrs. Webb was asked.
“Well,” she replied, “just about 62 years.”
“The first station master at Moss Vale. Do you remember his name?” “Oh, yes; he was Mr. James Higgs,” said Mrs. Webb. “And the first porter was Mr. Edward Blunt.”
Mrs. Webb stated that she was one of the earliest pupils at the public school in Moss Vale, then known as Sutton Forest North. “That was in 1868,” she said. “The name was confusing to visitors, so it was changed to ‘Moss Vale’.” The master at the school was Mr. William MacDonald, who recently died at the age of 88.
THE GOVERNOR’S RESIDENCE
At that time, the Governor, Lord Belmore had his residence at “Throsby Park”.
“There was a combined school picnic,” said Mrs. Webb, “Children from Moss Vale, Berrima, Sutton Forest and Mittagong gathered on a fine area of land between the old Bong Bong church and the Bong Bong River. It was a long, long time ago; but we had as enjoyable a time as the children of today have,” she added, and her face was radiant with smiles as she allowed her mind to drift back over the years . . . to her childhood. “Lord Belmore and Lady Belmore’s sister were there,” she continued after a brief pause, “and the latter handed food round to the children. I can recall the laughter, the cheery voices of the kiddies, and the merry games we played!”
THE VERY FIRST WHITE RESIDENTS
Returning to the beginning of his story, Mr. Webb explained that the first three white residents in Moss Vale were Messrs. J. Moss, H. Ward, and Robert Webb, and that he (Mr. John Webb), carried timber for the earliest buildings in the town.
“The Rev. Stone was the first Church of England minister,” he went on. “Mr. J. B. O’Reilly was the chemist; Mr. J. Finamore the blacksmith; Dr. Alexandria the doctor; and the first constable was a Mr. Jones. I also remember Bowral,” he concluded, “when there was only one house situated on Oxley’s Hill. It is still there!”
His father, Mr. Robert Webb, had wheat ground by Mr. William Walker, at the old Mill near Throsby Park. William Walker’s son, Alexander, was the constable who shot Fred Ward, better known as “Thunderbolt,” the bushranger!
THE ONES WHO WORE THE DRESS
On this our third re-union day
Our family will all bless,
The men who wore the trousers
And the girls who donned the dress.
We’ll talk about our Robert
And his son our Granpa John, But what about the mother?
Her name was May Ann.
What was it like in other days? To cook and wash and sew,
To keep the home fires burning bright
We can’t begin to know.
The hardships that they suffered
The courage that they showed, As they pioneered our country
They shared the heavy load.
There was no family planning.
In those days of long ago
No electric lights or motor car.
To aid them to and fro.
And as we think of them today
The men, the women and kids, Let’s say a prayer for all of them
And gently “dips our lids”.
We’ll think about our forebears
As Granpa John we bless,
And special love goes out to them
The ones who wore the dress.
Reunion day held at Avon Dam.
THE BLACKS’ GREAT CORROBOREE!
Part of the article in the Moss Vale Post,
Tuesday, May 20th, 1930
The “olden days!” No good roads then! — bullock teams lumbered along the beaten tracks, hauling heavy drays and haulting occasionally, on the brink of a hill — “a slow process,” indeed, as Mr. Webb had previously said!There was silence for the space of a few moments. It seemed that the interesting interview was drawing to a close,” Mrs. Webb beat a soft tattoo on the little sitting-room table, whereon reposed a neatly arranged vase of chrysanthemums and a few sprigs of hawthorn berries. She was gazing down at the hearth rug; she was thinking. Mr. Webb, too, was thinking; he sat with one hand on his knee, the other resting on the curved arm of his chair. Presently he looked up and rubbed his hands together. There was something more to be told.“As far back as I can remember,” he said, “there were blacks everywhere, and only a few white people. The blacks seemed to be all over the place. But they were friendly.”Then Mrs. Webb looked up with a smile.“And what about the blacks’ corroboree?” she asked. “You know — the Big Corroboree that time, when . . . ““Oh, yes!” Old Mr. Webb’s eyes shone again, and he related how the blacks held what was called a “Big Corroboree.” “Of course they used often to have smaller affairs, but for this, blacks swarmed into Moss Vale in hundreds and hundreds! It was held near a creek by the site of the present golf links.”“How long ago was that?” he was asked.“Over 70 years. The blacks came from almost all parts of the State for this ‘Big Corroboree’. The men formed two long lines, reaching as far as the eye could see! Then the two at one end turned into the centre and the next pair followed them, and so on, and they all danced down the ‘avenue’ until the other end of the line was reached; then they started back again. It was most spectacular. The men engaged in all kinds of strange aboriginal dances, their faces and bodies were streaked with coloured paint and they made queer grimaces the whole time.
“The women didn’t dance at all. They sat on the ground, nearby, and made the music and sang. The musical instruments were possum skins turned inside out and held taut on pieces of timber. The women beat upon these and the music was similar to the sound of the present day drums.“They did not object to white people being present at this great function,” continued Mr. Webb. “In fact, they invited the whites from all parts to attend and even prepared a nice, clean place for them on a green hill close by.”
In the very earliest days that Mr. and Mrs. Webb can remember, there were no policemen in Moss Vale.”If you wanted a policeman,” said Mrs. Webb, laughing “you had to go to Sutton Forest or Berrima for him!”It would appear that a great deal of time would be lost if one were obliged to ’round up’ the bullocks, harness them to the dray and then proceed to these other towns in search of a police constable! The old couple laughed at the idea . . . “But we thought nothing of it in those days,” said Mr. Webb. “And,” he added with a touch of pride — “we considered ourselves ‘made’ when my father bought a horse and tip-dray!” Thus the interview concluded. After a cheery “Good-day,” this genial old couple — firm of hand and voice, still — returned to the little gardens, and resumed their work.
John and Betsy Webb.
ANN MATILDA AND SAMUEL HAYTER
CHILDREN OF ROBERT AND MARY ANN WEBB
6. ANN MATILDA (Annie) b. 3-11-1853 Moss Vale d. 17-12-1951 Burrawang m. SAMUEL HAYTER 27-11-1878 Bong Bong b. 29-9-1855 Camden d. 12-5-1941 Burrawang.
ch. 1 ELSIE ELLIOTT b. 8-11-1879 d. 30-3-1964
m. NEIL PATTON 1-10-1919
b. 1880 Woolsthorp Vic. d. 17-2-1959
ch. 1 died in infancy
ch. 2 GERTRUDE HARRIS b. 23-10-1881 d. 23-6-1968 m. JOHN BERNIE 3-11-1943 b. 1880 d. 21-4-1962
ch. 3 FRANK OSBORNE b. 28-3-1884 d. 24-3-1975
ch. 4 HILDA HAYWARD b. 4-12-1886 d. 8-4-1958 m. HECTOR GORDON McINTOSH 26-12-1912 b. 17-2-1888 d. 18-4-1957 ch. 1 JAMES GORDON b. 11-10-1913
m. ENID CHAPMAN 3-1-1948
ch. 1 STUART b. 16-11-1948
ch. 2 SUSAN b. 14-3-1951
m. ANDREW GREEN 19-11-1977
ch. 1 JESSICA b. 9-5-1979
ch. 2 RACHEL b. 21-2-1981 ch. 3 ANGELA b. 4-6-1985
ch. 3 DAVID b. 24-2-1956
ch. 2 DOREEN b. 26-2-1926
m. LLOYD HOLDEN 30-10-1948
ch. 1 JOHN ROBERT b. 7-12-1952
m. ROBYN CARTWRIGHT 22-9-1973
ch. 1 MARK ROBERT b. 26-10-1976
ch. 2 MICHELLE CATHERINE b. 1-7-1978
ch. 2 BRETT PHILLIP b. 10-1-1956
m. GENELLE YOUNG 12-2-1977
ch. 1 TRENT ANTHONY b. 11-7-1979
ch. 2 JOEL NATHAN b. 26-5-1981
ch. 3 TY DYLAN b. 19-6-1983
ch. 4 KYLE ELI b. 2-5-1985
ch. 3 JUDITH ANN b. 30-7-1957
m. JAMES BINGLEY 4-9-1976
ch. 1 ANDREW JAMES b. 20-2-1982
ch. 2 STEVEN ALEXANDER b. 10-12-1984
ch. 5 LAURA ISABEL b. 23-8-1889 d. 6-6-1984 m. JOHN SAMUEL FEUTRILL 18-11-1926 Wagga
b. 30-1-1884 d. 12-10-1972
ch. 1 JOHN b. 19-1-1928 d. 28-9-1946
ch. 2 NEIL 21-6-1929
m. GWENDA SCHULTZ 14-3-1953 b. 16-8-1931 Wagga
ch. 1 PETER JOHN b. 27-4-1954
m. JILL McPHARLAND 22-2-1982
ch. 1 CHRISTOPHER NEIL b. 6-2-1985
ch. 2 WENDY ELAINE b. 6-5-1959 m. LARRY RICH 4-9-1982
ch. 1 KRISTEE LEA b. 10-7-1985
ch. 3 RODNEY NEIL b. 17-1-1961
ch. 4 FIONA LOUISE b. 9-5-1964 m. ANDREW BAKER 27-9-1986
ch. 6 ANNIE b. 20-12-1892 d. 1984 m. SAM DAVIDSON
Ann Matilda Hayter. Samuel Hayter.
Left to right: Larry and Wendy Rich, Neil and Gwen Feutrill, Peter and Jill Feutrill, Rodney Feutrill. Front: Fiona and Andrew Baker.
LIFE STORY OF MRS. ANN MATILDA HAYTER
Linked with early days of Moss Vale and Burrawang
We have received the following interesting impression, and life story as told by the late Mrs. A. M. Hayter, late of Burrawang, from the pen of Miss Florence Earle Hooper, of Sydney, following an interview the writer had with the old lady some few years before her death.
There has just passed away, she writes, at the age of 98 years, in the loving care of her daughter, Mrs. Gertrude Bernie, the oldest inhabitant of Burrawang, in the person of Mrs. Hayter.
Her life was an epitome of the history of the district; she saw and intelligently, the passing of the convict system, the beginning of Moss Vale, the coming of the railway and the sewing machine, the opening of the great estates to free selection, and the inauguration of free public education — immense social changes in her 98 years.
A few years ago, I had the pleasure and privilege of interviewing Mrs. Hayter. I was surprised, having met other “oldest inhabitants” to find a charming little lady, of a serene dignity and delicate manners, and possessing the sweetest little clear voice with no trace of Australian accent.
Yet, then she was over 90, and had never lived out of the district. Listening to her, one sensed a gentle uprightness, a deep sincerity of which she was perhaps herself unaware.
BORN AND LIVED HERE.
asked her about her early days. She was, she said, born at Moss Vale, christened, confirmed and married in Christ Church, Bong Bong.
“My father,” she said with quiet pride, “was a freeman.” For a moment that was startling; my mind jumped back to Wat Tyler and his fight for freedom. Strange to think that in Mrs. Hayter’s infancy, a large part of our population was in the condition, or worse, of the serfs of the 14th century. But her father was a freeman; he had come out in the second emigrant ship — (“Mayflower may have been its name). He came up to Moss Vale, to the Throsby Estate, where he was a carrier — name Robert Webb.
She continued: “He saw the chain gangs working on the roads, and the unmanageable convicts being driven with whips, along to Berrima Gaol.
“When I first remember Moss Vale,” she went on, “there were only five huts, with bark roofs. My father’s was one of them. I used to walk to Sutton Forest to school, over three miles. Mr. Dicker was the teacher’s name.”
That surely must have been a church school, for it would be before the Education Act, and I think Mr. Dicker must have been an Englishman, which would account for Mrs. Hayter’s beautiful speech.
“There were a good many blacks about Moss Vale,when I was a child,” she recalled. “They belonged to the Shoalhaven tribe and used to come to Berrima to get their supply of blankets. “Old Daddy Moss died in the Berrima Infirmary, but he was not a convict — no, the gaol was the only hospital. He was herdsman on the Throsby Grant and his name is perpetuated in the Vale.
“I remember Mr. Wild, too; he was overseer on the Throsby Park Estate. He used to say to my mother, ‘I’ll bring you a duck when I go to the Meadow’ or ‘Would you like a couple of ducks for Sunday?’ His meadow was a swampy place on the way to the Falls — a great haunt of wildfowl.
“Mr. Wild was a very good shot, but a stout man who did not like getting off his horse, so he used to fire from horseback, placing his gun between its ears. His dog, Kelly, would then bring him the birds. That place is now the township of Wild’s Meadow. My mother told me these things when I was a little girl.
“Kelly died of snakebite on the bank of a creek on the way to Wild’s Meadow, and it is called Kelly’s Creek to this day. It has nothing to do with Ned Kelly, as some are saying nowadays. “No, my husband was not a local man. He was born on the Camden Park Estate, the Onslow Macarthur’s. In later years, the family came to Moss Vale, and that is where we met. “I used to sing in the choir at Christ Church, and Samuel used to blow the organ for some years. Mr. Herbert Throsby was the organist at that time. “My husband (she glances proudly at the large portrait of an exceedingly handsome bearded man hanging opposite) was not very tall, but strong. After we married we came into the wild country — now Burrawang — where he worked at the timber mills established by Barrett, Hayter and Seery. That Hayter was his brother. The mill was down in the hollow below the Rectory. It worked by steam. And most of the houses here were built of their own sawn timber and the thick forests gradually gave way to good pastures of Burrawang.
“My husband was a rifle shooter, cricketer, and keen on fishing. He won a gold medal for shooting, and that oak and silver salad bowl and many trophies for cricket. (Indeed, the sideboard is covered with them.) “Once,” Mrs. Hayter continues “he played against an English team, in which W. G. Grace was one of the Eleven — the captain, I think. “No, life was not dull then. We had dances and concerts in the winter and tea-meetings and picnics and shows as well as the rifle and cricket matches to watch.”
THE HALF-WAY CHURCH
I had noticed the two-storey red brick building, called the ‘Old Rectory’, but why was there no church? “Well,” explained Mrs. Hayter, “the Rectory was already begun, when the people of Wild’s Meadow wanted the church built there. They had more church people than we, and our people were well, very lax. So, after much argument and delay, it was agreed to build the church half-way between Burrawang and Wild’s Meadow. And the land intended for the church is used as a playground for the school opposite.”
I had wondered at the lonely position of the little church. I said I hoped when they built their own, it would be in the style of the pretty public school opposite — stone-walled and slate roofed, with its date tablet — 1876.
“Ah yes,” said the old lady, “this place was blessed by Sir John Robertson and Sir Henry Parkes. I always say we owe everything to them. Sir John for his Land Act, and Sir Henry for his School Act.” Afterwards I recalled that this dear old lady had said nothing about herself. I would add, in her own words, “This place was blessed by her presence.”
Left to right: Ann Davidson, Laura Feutrill, Hilda McIntosh, Gertie Bernie and Elsie Patton. The Hayter girls.
ELSIE AND NEIL PATTON’S WEDDING
Elderly couple at front: Sam and Annie Hayter. Left to right: Frank Hayter, ?, Gertie, ?, Hilda, ? Patton, Laura, Annie in front of Laura.
MARY AND ALF MURRAY Children of John and Elizabeth Webb
1. MARY ELIZABETH (May) b. 22-6-1876 Dulwich Hill d. 6-11-1911 m. ALFRED MURRAY 1907
b. 9-7-1878 d. 1969 Berri ma
ch. 1 EDGAR b. 7-5-1908 d. 4-10-1979
m. ELSIE TICKNER ca. 1934 ch. 1 TED-m. CHARMAINE ?
ch. 1 Kerry m. ? Keedy
ch. 1 Suzzanne
ch. 2 Debbie ch. 3 Steven ch. 4 Megan
ch. 2 RAY m. MARGARET ?
ch. 1 Glen
ch. 3 GRAHAM m. BEVERLY
ch. 1 Robert
ch. 2 Belinda
ch. 4 NOLA m. BRIAN WHITE
ch. 1 Kylie
ch. 2 Brendon
ch. 2 CLIFFORD b. 29-7-1909 d.
m. IRENE GORDON on 30-12-1939
ch. 1 MAUREEN m. VIVIAN DWYER
ch. 2 COLIN
Mary, Alf Murray and Edgar.
Mary Murray (nee Webb). Alfred Murray.
Edgar and Cliff Murray Edgar and Cliff Murray
MEMOIRS BY CLIFF ABOUT HIS GRANDPARENTS
JOHN AND BETSY WEBB
Now for the little I know of Grandfather Webb, is that he started travelling on the roads with his father, Robert, with horse teams at the age of ten, carting provisions from Sydney to Young (known as Lambing Flats in those days) also Nowra to Young. He often spoke of the cutting off of the Chinamen’s pigtails in the riot on the goldfields at Lambing Flats, in 1861, (he would have been 12 years old then), also their first camp out from Sydney was at Lansdowne Bridge, on the Hume Highway.
He also recalled the men would bore a hole in the rum kegs, and help themselves to a little of the doings and then plug the hole with a piece of wood. Another thing I recall is, him saying the last person to be hung in Berrima Jail was a chap named Lynch (appropriate) for killing a family named Mulligan, father, mother, son and daughter and burning their bodies in the house.
Last, but not least, if I was home as a teenager, and made no effort to go out on a Saturday night, he would put his hand in his trouser pocket and take out an old purse with a ring over the top, take out a ten shilling note, and give it to me without saying a word.
Another of his favourite jokes, was to tell all the kids to pick as many strawberries as they liked, as long as they kept whistling.
What a wonderful couple Gran and Grandfather were, after raising their own big family, and then rearing Edgar and I, for which we were always most grateful.
Elsie, Irene, Cliff and Edgar Murray.
Ada Alice Swan (nee Webb). William Henry Swan.
Mary Aileen Swan
ALICE AND BILL SWAN
Children of John and Betsy
2. ADA ALICE KATHLEEN b. 30-8-1877 d. 26-2-1953 Albion Park. m. WILLIAM HENRY SWAN b. 1877 d. 7-2-1931 Dapto.
ch. 1 MARY AILEEN b. 29-5-1900 m. ROY ALFRED DUNCAN d. 13-1-1969
ch. 1 ALAN RUSSELL b. 7-7-1923 m. URSULA MADELINE LINDSAY 19-4-1952
ch. 1 JOHN RUSSELL b. 1953 m. LYNETTE RYAN 1978
ch. 1 Alexander John b. 1980
ch. 2 Chad Ashley b. 1981
ch. 3 Drew Gerard b. 1983
ch. 4 Ashley b. 30-10-1987
ch. 2 DAVID ALAN b. 1954 m. CHRISTINE HALL 1984
ch. 3 BRIAN LINDSAY b. 1957 (twin) m. JOAN BALL 1982
ch. 1 Rhy Alan b. 1987
ch. 4 PETER ROY b. 1957 (twin) m. ROBYN SHERWIN 1979
ch. 1 Charne Maree b. 21-9-1980
ch. 2 Mathew Roy b. 1983
ch. 3 EMMA b. 22-12-1986
ch. 2 LAUREL b. 13-9-1924 m. BILL FINCH 10-4-1948
ch. 1 PETER RUSSELL b. 27-12-1950 m. SANDRA JOY RICHARDSON 19-2-1972
ch. 1 Daniel Peter b. 11-3-1978
ch. 2 Michael David b. 5-4-1979
ch. 3 Kelly Marie b. 6-2-1982
ch. 2 GARY RAYMOND b. 28-2-1954 m. HEATHER SHARP 24-8-1974
ch. 1 Clare b. 19-6-1979
ch. 2 Andrew David b. 8-9-1981
ch. 3 John Raymond b. 2-6-1985
ch. 3 JOYCE b. 18-9-1925 m. DONALD HUNTER 29-2-1964
ch. 1 WENDY b. 21-2-1965
ch. 2 ALISON b. 7-7-1968
ch. 4 GORDON b. 18-5-1928 m. FAYE STREETER 23-2-1952
ch. 1 KERRY ANN b. 17-2-1956 m. IAN JOHN BURKE 21-5-1977
ch. 1 Thomas Duncan b. 14-11-1980
ch. 2 Mitchell John b. 16-6-1983
ch. 3 Samuel Ian b. 12-4-1985
ch. 4 Alexandra Jane b. 24-2-1987
ch. 2 JAYNE LINDA b. 13-4-1957
ch. 3 JOANE VICKI b. 18-11-1959 m. COLIN THOMAS BURKE 12-5-1979
ch. 1 Mathew Colin b. 27-7-1985
ch. 2 Haley Jane b. 22-10-1986
ch. 4 LISA SUZANNE b. 13-11-1960 m. HERBERT RONALD BELL 5-9-1987
ch. 5 GWEN b. 13-6-1932 m. IRVINE KEIR 19-6-1953 b. ? d. 17-2-1982
ch. 1 PHILLIP b. 8-8-1955 m. LISA-BELL FURHAGEN 20-6-1987
ch. 2 JENNIFER b. 1-1-1957 m. ROBERT GOODSELL Jan. 1984 (div.)
ch. 3 HELEN b. 13-11-1958 m. MARK RUTTY Jan. 1985
ch. 6 MAVIS b. 8-3-1936 m. DARRY POWELL 26-4-1957
ch. 1 ROBIN b. 17-1-1960 ‘m. SIMON YOUNG 19-9-1987
ch. 2 GREG b. 5-3-1962
ch. 3 BETH b. 5-5-1964
ch. 4 KRISTINE b. 13-11-1966
ch. 2 ERNEST JAMES b. 30-5-1901 m. VIOLET JOLLIFE 1927
ch. 1 WILLIAM RONALD m. MARGARET THOMPSON
ch. 1 LEONIE MARGARET m. ROSS DAVISON (div.)
ch. 1 Rechelle b. 1979
ch. 2 TREVOR JAMES b. 1955 m. JULIE THERESE KERSHAW 1976
ch. 1 Peter James b. 16-2-1981
ch. 2 Kelly Louise b. 15-5-1983
ch. 3 WARWICK MURRAY b. 1957 m. PATRICIA ANN HOL 1984
ch. 1 Khristie Maree b. 1987
ch. 2 THOMAS JAMES b. 1928 m. SHIRLEY NORMA FLYNN
Left to right: Aleck, Bert, Jack, Max, Dudley, Ernie, Ted and Stan. Alice Swan
ch. 3 VIOLET JOYCE b. 1931 m. MERVYN WHITTAKER 1950
ch. 1 STEPHEN b. 1950 m. DIANNE MILLER 1976
ch. 1 Nicole b. 1980
ch. 2 Rachel b. 1982
ch. 2 GRAEME b. 1953 m. SUZANNE DUFFY 1980
ch. 1 Melissa b. 1983
ch. 2 Scott b. 1985
ch. 3 BRYAN b. 1956 m. ANN LOUISE O’SULLIVAN 1977
ch. 1 Kristen b. 1982
ch. 2 Cameron b. 1984
ch. 4 DALE ROBERT b. 1958 m. GINA ANN WILSKE 1981
ch. 4 GLADYS JEAN b. 1939 m. 1. CAMERON TARBERT (div.)
ch. 1 SUSAN RAE b. 1961 m. ANTHONY SMITH
ch. 1 Rebecca Jean
ch. 2 Ashley James
ch. 2 RODERICK PETER b. 1963 m. 2. NORMAN McCREA
ch. 1 ANGELA JEAN b. 1975
ch. 2 STUART ANDREW b. 1977
ch. 5 ERNEST RAYMOND b. 1942 m. PAULINE MOSELEY 1963
ch. 1 MICHELLE GAl b. 1965
ch. 2 ALAN PETER b. 1967
ch. 3 JENNIFER ANNE b. 1970
ch. 4 MEGAN JANE b. 1974
ch. 6 MARIE LYNETTE b. 1944 m. EDWARD THOMAS BRYANT 1964
ch. 1 PAUL THOMAS b. 1967
ch. 2 DARREN EDWARD b. 1969
ch. 3 JASON MARK b. 1971
ch. 3 WILLIAM MAXWELL b. 19-12-1902 d. 28-10-1959 m. LILLIAN THOMPSON
ch. 1 EDNA b. m. BILL DAVIES
ch. 1 PETER m. LESLIE BRIGHT
ch. 1 Mac b. 1983
ch. 2 Patricia b. 1985
ch. 2 GAY m. GARY HOLLAWAY
ch.1 Keriane b. 1977
ch. 2 Christe b. 1980 )) Twins ch. 3 Greg b. 1980
ch. 3 JULIE m. ROBERT BATE
ch. 1 Sally b. 1979
ch. 2 Ben b. 1981
ch. 3 Mark b. 1987
ch. 2 JOAN m. NEVILLE POLLARD
ch. 1 DIANNE m. PETER LONG
ch. 1 Mallisia b. 1973
ch. 2 Nicole b. 1974
ch. 3 Christopher b. 1977
ch. 2 MAXINE m. ALAN WATSON
ch. 1 Amanda b. 1972
ch. 2 Michelle b. 1974
ch. 3 Craig b. 1977
ch. 3 GREGORY m. KATY MacKENROTH 1987
ch. 3 LEILA m. FRED LEGGETT
ch. 1 KAYLENE m. LINDSAY BROWN
ch. 1 Natalie b. 1986
ch. 2 TREVOR m. USULA TEETZ
ch. 1 Amanda b. 1984
ch. 3 GLENN m. JENNIFER HATTY
ch. 1 Carlie b. 1986
ch. 4 GARY
ch. 4 KENNETH m. MARIE HAYES
ch. 1 GRAEME m. LISA EVERSON
ch. 2 DAVID
ch. 3 DARYL
ch. 4 JOANNE )Twins
ch. 5 JULIE-ANNE) Twins
ch. 4 DUDLEY ALLEN b. 16-7-1904 d. 19-8-1966 m. ETHEL HAZELTON
ch. 1 ALICE m. GRAEME DUNN
ch. 1 TREVOR
ch. 2 ALAN
ch. 2 BERYL m. BASIL VAN DEN BURGH
ch. 1 PHILIP m. CAROL HENDERSON
ch. 1 Rebecca Anne b. 11-3-1986
ch. 2 KERRIE m. GEOFF MINERS
ch. 1 Kate Anita b. 14-12-1985
ch. 3 LORRAE
ch. 4 DALE
ch. 3 DOROTHY m. BENJAMIN HAMILTON
ch. 1 DAVID m. ANNE DeGRAAF
ch. 1 Renee Roslyn b. 13-9-1983
ch. 2 Rachel Teanne b. 4-4-1986
ch. 2 LINDA
ch. 3 LEIGH m. JOHN HENDERSON
ch. 1 Nikkie Leigh Hamilton b. 30-7-1985
ch. 2 Gary John Hamilton b. 8-10-1987 d. 10-10-1987
ch. 5 ANNIE ELIZABETH b. 2-3-1906 d. 17-9-1961 m. WALTER JOLLIFFE
ch. 1 ALAN m. MARGARET’ HAYES
ch. 1 DAVID
ch. 2 HELEN
ch. 3 CHERYL
ch. 2 KENNETH m. THELMA WARD
ch. 1 PETER m. JUDITH ANN KOLSKY 1-2-1987
ch. 2 LINETTE
ch. 3 NEVILLE
ch. 4 NIEL
ch. 3 ROSS
m. BETTY SAWTELL
ch. 1 GREGORY
m. KAREN LEE WHITE 31-10-1987
ch. 2 KEITH
ch. 6 STANLEY HARRIS b. 9-12-1907 d. 20-12-1970 m. DAPHNE GRAHAM
ch. 1 ERIC b. 22-9-1943
m. WILMA VAN DER MUELEN b. 21-1-1950
ch. 1 BELINDA DAPHNE b. 16-11-1970
ch. 2 GARY STANLEY b. 23-10-1972 ch. 3 NERRIDA JANE b. 26-8-1975
ch. 2 BRUCE b. 26-6-1947
m. CHRISTINE McGRUTHER b. 13-5-1946
ch. 1 PAUL HENRY b. 28-1-1971
ch. 2 LOUISE b. 13-8-1973
ch. 3 MARY ELLEN b. 28-10-1976
ch. 7 JOHN WILFRED b. 4-5-1909 d. 22-3-1971
m. DOREEN PEARSON
ch. 1 WILLIAM
m. JUDITH BETTS
ch. 1 GREGORY
m. WENDY EYWICK
ch. 1 Daniel b. 1985
ch. 2 Jake William b. 1987
ch. 2 CHERYL
m. JEFF ROBERT PULLEN
ch. 1 Brendon Robert b. 1986
ch. 3 KATHIE
ch. 4 JOY
ch. 2 BETTY
m. KEVIN METCALF
ch. 1 Julie b. 1971
ch. 3 COLIN
m. JACQUELINE ?
ch. 1 DARREN b. 1977
ch. 4 RUTH
m. RAYMOND KING
ch. 8 NELLIE KATHLEEN b. 15-12-1910
m. THOMAS JOLLIFFE
ch. 1 KATHLEEN
m. COLIN BOWLEY
ch. 1 DON
ch. 2 BRIAN
ch. 3 KAYLENE
ch. 4 ALAN
ch. 5 JANINE
ch. 2 RAYMOND
m. MARJORIE DAWES
ch. 1 LEANNE b. 16-8-1964 d. 11-7-1976
m. ROSE MARIE CLARKE
ch. 1 GLENN
ch. 2 ROSANNE
ch. 3 SHANE
ch. 9 CECIL ROY b. 15-9-1912 d. 29-4-1971 m. DOROTHY JOLLIFFE
ch. 1 COLLEEN
m. KEITH COATES
ch. 2 COLIN ch. 3 SANDRA
ch. 2 EDWARD
m. 1. JACQUELINE PENFOLD (div.) ch. 1 ANTHONY ch. 2 MARK
m. 2. CHRISTINE TYCE
ch. 1 KELLY
ch. 2 BEN
ch. 10 HERBERT LESLIE b. 16-3-1915
m. DOROTHEA BATTON
ch. 1 ALAN
ch. 2 ROBERT
m. MERYL SANDY
ch. 1 ELISSA
ch. 2 TRENT
ch. 3 HELEN
m. KEVIN HORSFALL
ch. 1 DONNA
ch. 2 JULIE
ch. 11 ALEXANDER WALLACE b. 10-12-1922 m. MARY THORBOURNE
ch. 1 DANISE
m. FREDERICK PEARSON
ch. 2 ALISON
m. COLIN DOWNES
ch. 1 LISA b. 1981
ch. 2 KERRIE b. 1983
ch. 3 RENEA b. 1987
ch. 3 LEANNE
PERCIVAL AND MILDRED WEBB
Children of John and Betsy Webb
3. PERCIVAL JOHN GILBERT WEBB b. 25-10-1878 Moss Vale d. 15-7-1960 Dapto
m. MILDRED MAY ALLEN on 19-2-1902 Exeter
b. 10-2-1882 Sutton Forest d. 15-7-1949 Dapto
ch. 1 AILEEN MAY b. 18-4-1903
ch. 2 CONSTANCE b. 1905 d 1905
ch. 3 RAYMOND W.T. b. 10-6-1906
ch. 4 DORIS EMILY b. 8-7-1908
ch. 5. BESSIE b. 13-6-1911
ch. 6 PERCIVAL ALLEN b. 24-10-1913
ch. 7 ETHEL MARY b. 10-9-1917
ch. 8. JAMES RUSSEL b. 4-12-1919
News Paper Report Of A Wedding
Wedding: St. Aidan’s Church, Exeter, on Wednesday, Feb. 19th, at 11 o’clock was the scene of a very pretty wedding when Mr. Percy J. G. Webb, eldest son of Mr. John Webb, of “Ferndale”, Exeter, was married to Miss Mildred May Allen, second eldest daughter of Mr. Thomas Allen, of “The Meadows”, Exeter. There was a crowded congregation and the interior of the church was artistically decorated with ferns, flowers and foliage and a lovely floral wedding bell under which the bride stood. The Rev. T. J. Heffernan performed the ceremony. The bride, who was given away by her father, entered the church on his arm ‘mid the strains of the anthem “The Voice that breathed o’er Eden” sang by the choir. The organist was Miss Emmie Neville who afterwards played Mendelssohn’s “Wedding March” beautifully as the happy couple left the church. The bride looked charming in a white tucked silk trimmed with honiton lace and pearls and wore the orthodox wreath and veil (which was kindly lent by her aunt), and carried a beautiful shower bouquet of ferns, roses and lillies, and also a curb bangle and amethyst brooch, the gifts of the bridegroom. Mr. Stanley Webb was best man. Messrs. F. and T. Allen were groomsmen. The bride was proceeded by eight bridesmaids. Miss A. Allen and Miss M. Webb being chief and were attired alike in cream voile and picture hats trimmed with white silk and poppies, and wore gold bamboo bangles and lovely bouquets, gifts of the bridegroom. Nettie and Myra Allen, also bridesmaids wore cream leghorn hats, and wore gold amethyst brooches and carried bouquets the gifts of the bridegroom. A pleasing feature of the wedding were four little twin girls as bridesmaids, sisters of the bride and bridegroom, dressed alike in white silk greenaway dresses, and who wore white wreaths and gold bird brooches and carried floral baskets of pink carnations and maiden hair ferns, gifts of the bridegroom. After the ceremony the wedding party numbering 60 drove to theresidence of the bride’s parents. At the wedding breakfast the Rev. T. J. Heffernan proposed the health of the young couple. Later in the afternoon Mr. and Mrs. P. Webb drove to the South Coast and then to Sydney to spend the honeymoon. The bride’s travelling dress was a fawn Eton coat and pink surah silk vest trimmed with wine coloured insertion, and white picture hat trimmed with chiffon and ostrich feathers and pink silk roses resting on the hair. They received many congratulations from their friends, and the many handsome and costly presents were much admired. A social was held in the evening and largely attended.
PERCIVAL J.G. WEBB & MILDRED MAY ALLEN
Percival J. G. Webb m. Mildred May Allen at St. Aiden’s Church of England, Exeter, on the 19th February, 1902.
Perc was the third child of John and Elizabeth Webb and the eldest son of a very large family. Mildred was the second child of Thomas and Emily Allen. When they married Perc lived at “Ferndale”, Exeter with his family and Mildred lived at “The Meadows”, Exeter with her family. The reception was held at “The Meadows”.
When they married Perc worked for Badgery’s and lived in a small cottage at Sutton Forest, which was only demolished in 1984 and we visited it just about that time. After he left Badgery’s he worked “Wattle Farm”, Exeter, then bought a home at Exeter. After they left this place, Uncle Arthur Allen bought it.
They then lived and worked at Bresnahan’s Saw Mill at Wildes Meadow.
In 1909 they left the mountains and came to live on the coast, first settling at “Mount Johnson” at Marshall Mount where they stayed for about eight years. From Marshall Mount the next move was to “Cleveland”, on Cleveland Road at Avondale. After three years at “Cleveland”, Dad and Mum bought “Avondale” house and we moved there in 1920. The family all grew up at “Avondale”.
Both Percy and Mill were very public minded and took a keen interest in all district activities. They were both loyal church members.
Mum was a member of Mothers Union and the Church Guild and also Red Cross. Dad was on the Church committee for many years, holding the offices of Treasurer and Church Warden for 27 years. He was also a keen member of the Masonic Lodge, being past master of The Lodge King Edward and District Grand Inspector of Working for his district. He was a long time member of the Agricultural Society serving on the committee and as President of the Society. He was also an Alderman of the Central Illawarra Council.
All of these things could not have been achieved without the capable help of his dear wife.
A competent farmer he maintained a quality Illawarra Dairy Herd through the years and gave splendid service as a delegate to the Milk Zone Dairyman’s Council.
Mum did quite a lot of handicrafts with crochet being her speciality.
In 1936 they moved to “Lake View”, Kanahooka Road and farmed the property there. Mum was very interested in the garden and always had a fine display of pot plants.
After a long illness and spending 3 months in Wollongong Hospital, Mum passed away on 15-7-1949 and Dad, 11 years later at a grand old age, passed away on the same day, 15-7-1960.
They are both interred in St. Luke’s Cemetery.
The “Meadows” Exeter
My Dear Sister and Brother,
Just a few hurried lines in reply to yours Mother received this evening and were all pleased to hear you arrived at your destination in safety, and I guess you were a wee bit tired after your journey, but not half as bad as a few of us after the day and evenings amusement. I think everyone present enjoyed a very good time. There were a fair crowd here “in the end” they kept on coming till after 10, they made us begin to consider whether provisions would run out, but we had plenty to spare. We had plenty of musicians and they were dancing and singing until 6am and then joined hands and sang Auld Lang Syne. We all had a good sleep that day with the exception of Auntie Annie and are only just recovering from the effects. Mrs. Gough heard the wind-up down at her place, such cheering and hurrahing and diversion you never heard. Charlie went home in the mail Thursday morning and Charlotte, George and Addie went
today, to prepare for the honeymoon couple, so things are not quite so lively as before, but we find it quite lively enough trying to square things up a bit. May just called in with Miss Hayter as they were going home by the midday today. We have had more visitors today and yesterday viewing your presents and also a few
more arrived. Mrs. Gambells table, Mr. Cui…….. amis
1 doz. cups and saucers, besides a few other little things. Dear Percy and Mill you must excuse this scribble as the express is gone and I am getting sleepy, and my pen is kicking all the time. I hope you both spend a very pleasant trip as I think you ought. Mrs. Prideau told me to tell you to be sure and go to the Play at Her Majestys. I forget the piece that is on. She said it is beautiful and you will hear all from Ad when you go down. The children’s colds are pretty bad yet.
I hope you found all well when you landed at Mrs. Swans. I will now say Au Revoir for the present. They all unite with me in wishing you both health and happiness in the future. I remain your ever fond and loving sister Addle.
STANLEY HARRIS AND ADELAIDE MARY WEBB
Adelaide Mary Allen was born at Sutton Forest and Stanley Harris Webb at Moss Vale; it appears both families moved to the Exeter area to live and by the time they were 24 years of age they married at St. Aidans Church, Exeter. Rev. Thomas John Heffernan officiating.
Their first home after marriage was at Bundanoon, where their first child was born. Moving to Sutton Forest the second in the family was born. Their next move was to Kangaloon where they carried on dairying mostly on rented properties. On one such property the rent was set at five pounds 13/4d. per month for the first year of lease, increased by three shillings and fourpence per month for the remaining three years, an indication of conditions and values of the time.
While living at Kangaloon their next seven children were born. It was 1920 that the farm fronting Robertson Road, known as “Lloydeena” was purchased and the last of their family was born. Lloydeena was leased for a time as my earliest recollections of home and family life was when Mum and Dad worked a dairy farm on shares, the income for one year was 512 pounds including half share of a pea crop.
About that time rabbits were in plague proportions. Shotting was of little use in ridding the pest, poisoning was one of the methods used, trapping was used extensively especially in the winter months. Many the income was helped with the sale of rabbits, but all made little difference to the numbers.
Motor cars were very few and far between around this period; travelling by horse and sulky and even the spring cart was luxury travel compared to the earlier days of unsprung dray and bullock waggon. I still have vivid memories of Dad, on the very few trips that would be taken away from home, on ascending the unsealed Macquarie Pass would get out and walk to lighten the load on a small pony pulling a loaded sulky and if travelling at night the sulky light would be not much help to man or beast. They are referred to as the good aid days. I think in the main they were happy days, what friendships and happy times from neighbourly visits. Apart from the 60Ib. bags of sugar and sacks of flour weighing 2 or 3 times more, the household out in the country was almost self supporting. Cows supplied milk, butter and cream for Mum’s apple pies. Different kinds of fruit for jam etc. and many varieties of vegetables, what fun cutting up melons for jam or so it seemed to us kids.
Dad would often slaughter a beast when things were tough in depression times or kill a pig, not things he liked to do, but necessity sometimes drives. Dad served some time as a butcher when younger Those aforementioned sugar bags would be made into aprons and towels for dairy and other uses, the smaller flour bags found many uses, one such use was to line little boys pants.It takes a special love to pull together in rearing a large family and it is hard for anyone who did not live in those times without the modern conveniences, to understand. Mum and Dad had that love. Some members of the family have lived on “Lloydeena” for 50 to 60 years. It is inevitable that living any lengthy period in one place that joyful times will be intermingled with sadness. Dad died November, 1940. Mum September, 1944. Both are buried at Bong Bong. I remember once reading. There is nothing in the world that stirs the heart to its very depth, “like the thoughts of home”. And with the passing of the years, time has not been able to rob those thoughts of “Lloydeena”.
by LLoyd Webb.
MR. S. H. WEBB
The death of Mr. Stanley Harris Webb occurred suddenly at his home, Burrawang recently. He had been under medical care for a few months, and while returning home from work had a sudden seizure and died. Mr. Webb was the second son of the late Mr. and Mrs. John Webb, of Exeter, and was born there in 1879. He lived the whole of his life around Berrima district and followed farming pursuits. In 1903 he married Adelaide, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. T. Allan, of Exeter, and in later years of Dapto. Mr. Webb is survived by Mrs. Webb, seven sons, Jack, Stanley, Tom (Clunes), and Gordon (Goolmangar), Hilton, Roy and Lloyd, and three daughters, Doris (Mrs. 0. Barton), Mavis and Audrey. Mr. Webb had a quiet unobtrusive manner, with an honest sincerity of purpose and uprightness of character, and won the esteem, goodwill and affection of all. He took little part in social activity and centred his interest in his church, his home and family.
The funeral was large and representative. At the service in the old historic Bong Bong Church, the congregation was so large that many had to remain outside. It was a fine testimony of the esteem in which the deceased was held throughout the district.
Audrey, Mavis and Dorothy Webb
THE FUTURE’S PAST
There’s a place upon the Highlands
That’s so very dear to me—
Where my ancestors lived and worked their farms In the 19th century.
I can see it all so clearly now, How they lived those early days With the coaches and the buggies And the Clydesdales with the drays.
How they met at Church on Sundays, Horses tethered to the trees.
While they listened to the sermons; Oh! What childhood memories.
Anyhow! It’s different now. The years go by so fast. We’re in the 1980s now So let’s not linger on the past.
But I’ll not forget the old folks They worked hard for you and me. They toiled by hand to clear the land And raise their families.
“Yesterdays” are gone forever “Tomorrows” have yet to come. “Todays” the days for living So I’ll do what’s to be done.
When we hear those early stories That so long ago were told, Let us rejoice in all their glories And we never shall grow old.
Kenneth S Webb
Children Of John and Elizabeth Webb
5.MABEL BLANCHE b. March 1881 d. 9th October, 1885 buried at Bong Bong.
6.ANNIE MAUDE b. 1882.HAROLD KENT b. 1883 died 9th October, 1885 buried at Bong Bong.
7. HAROLD KENT b. 1883 died 9th October, 1885 buried at Bong Bong.
8.LEONARD LARKIN b. January 1885 d. 4th August, 1887.
10. GEORGE ROY b. Nov 1889 d. 26th June, 1890
Bong Bong Church Moss Vale Today
Inside Bong Bong Church
FRANK AND MIRIAH (MYRA) WEBB
Children of John and Elizabeth Webb
ch.11 FRANK LEO WEBB b. 27-3-1891 d. 30-9-1963 Wollongong
m.MIRIAH ALLEN Nov.24.11.1915 St. Lukes b. 16-7-1893 d. 21-11-1974 Dapto
ch.1 MIRIAH b. 1916 d. 5 months
ch2 DOUGLAS ALLEN WEBB b. 1917 d. 5.10.1979
m. EDITH Elizabeth (Betty) SMALL b. 1920 d. 22.11.1998
ch1 RONALD ALLEN WEBB b. 1944
m. MICHELLE MIRELLE WILKINS b. 1945
ch1 MARK ALLEN Webb b. 1973
m.Kate Brophy in 2007
ch.1 Mollie Rose Webb 2008
ch.2 Archie Daniel Webb 2011
ch.2 PHILIP ANDREW Webb b. 1974
m.Penny Murray in 2010
ch.1 Phoebe Ann 2009
ch.2 Leo Thomas 2011
ch. 3 KAREN LOUISE Webb b. 1977 /
m. Rohan Zvargoulis 2001 (Div 2018)
ch.1 Ethan Philip Zvargoulis 2002
ch.2 Poppy Hope Zvargoulis 2003
ch.3 Jed Baxter Zvargoulis 2006
ch.4 CHRISTOPHER JAME WebbS b. 1982
m. Kimberley Hastie in 2005
ch.1 Blake James Webb 2008
ch.2 Liam Zachary Webb 2011
ch.3 Emmalyn 2014
ch. 5 VICKI BAXTER b. 1971 (Foster child)
ch. 2 ELAINE ELIZABETH WEBB b. 1947
m. KENNETH MOORE b. 1946
ch. 1 NATHAN b. 1974
m. KAREN GAYE DIXON ? 1998
ch. 1 ELLIE Elizabeth b. 2001
ch. 2 KATE Christine b. 2003
ch. 3 AVA Charlotte b. 2008
ch. 2 RACHEL b. 1975
m. ADRIAN John Noble LEGGETT b.?
ch.1 WILLIAM James b.2002
ch.2 EMILY Elizabeth b. 2005
ch. 3 GLEN OWEN WEBB b. 1952
m. MAURENE Faye ORR Aug 1994 (Div)
ch. 1 MICHAEL DOUGLAS WEBB b. 1980
Jacinta Rose Irwin-Webb 2004
ch. 2 ALLISON Faye WEBB b. 1982
m Stephen O’Conner 2012
ch. 3 THOMAS FRANK WEBB b. 1919 d. 3.8.1991 Wollongong
m. DOREEN PARSONS b.? d.?
ch.1 LORRAINE b. 1946
ch. 2 BEVERLEY b. 1951
m. COLIN KING
ch. 1 COLLETTE b.1973
ch. 2 SEAN b. 1977
ch. 4 DULCIE WEBB b.14.12.1920 d 29.7 2011 Orange
m. SELWYN JOHN (Jack)CONNERTY b.1.4. 1912 d. 21.7.1982
ch. 1 TREVOR b. 1950 d. Jan 2013 Orange
m. PATRICIA RUMBLE b.20.3.1950
ch. 1 CRAIG b. 1976 d.1.11.1999 Sydney
ch. 2 BRETT b. 13.10.1981
m. ANGELA (Ange) LAWFORD b.18.8.1980c
ch. 1 BAYDEN b. 2.8.2006
ch. 2 MARLI b.2.12.2008
ch. 5 KEITH NORMAN WEBB b. 29.9.1922 d.30.7.2018 Wollongong
m. FLORENCE IRENE (Rene) SKEET b. 1921 d. 22.8.2015 Wollongong
ch. 1 GRAHAM WEBB b. 1951
m. MARIANNE WILK May 1976 b. 1957 (Div. 1984)
m. Dorothy Colledge (nee Oakes ) Sept 1991 b.1950
ch. 2 ROBERT WEBB b. 19.4.1955
m. SUSAN ZEBEGEW b. 1957 (Div.?)
ch. 1 ANITA WEBB b. 1979
m. JOHN CAGNEY b. 10.3.1978
ch. 1 LILLY b.21.9.2004
ch. 2 GEORGIA b.4.9.2007
ch. 3 HAMISH) b.17.8.2009
ch. 4 OLIVER) Twins b.17.8.2009
ch. 5 EWAN b.30.4.2014
ch. 2 BELINDA WEBB b. 1981
m. Jason EBBS ( Div)
ch.1 JACK b.29.09.2000
ch.2 JAYDEN b.26.7.2006
ch. 3 BRYAN WEBB b. 1983
m. SAMANTHA TAYLOR (Div)
ch.1 LUCY 4.11.2007
ch. 2 HARRY 2.3.2009
ch.2 ROBERT WEBB b.19.4.1955
m. LYN Stephens b.3.6.1953 (DIV ?)
m. LYNNE HAWK d. 29.2.2012
m. JENNY LEE?
ch. 3 ANNETTE WEBB b. 11.6.1958
m. Douglas Somerville b.13.6.1958
ch. 1 Robbie b. 28.4 1992
ch.2 Heather b. 28. 9.1993
ch. 6. CLIFFORD b. 1924 d. 1976
m. JOYCE SCHAFER b. 1925 d. 2.2012
ch.1 COLIN b.25.3.1949
m. SONJA VAN DYKE (Div)
ch. 1 ADAM b. 1975
ch. 2 JARED b. 1977
ch. 3 CLARE b. 1978
ch.1 COLIN WEBB b.25.3 1948
m. JILL O’Brien b.9.8.1952
ch. 2 GEOFFREY b. 1953 d. 22.6.2015
m. DONNA JANE HOFFMAN (Div)
ch. 1 RICHARD 1978
ch. 2 KARL 1981
ch. 3 NICOLA 1984
ch. 2 GEOFFREY WEBB b. 1952 d. 22.6.2015
m. JOANNE (Jo) b.7.12.1952
Frank and Miriah Wedding Photo
Left to Right – Doug, Betty, Jack, Dulcy, Cliff, Joyce, Tom, Doreen, Keith, Rene, front Frank and Miriah
FRANK LEO WEBB
FRANK LEO WEBB, the fourth son of John and Elizabeth Webb, was born at Exeter on 27-3-1891, and lived with the family in the Moss Vale area, working on the farm- I believe he was a pretty good hand with the axe, clearing the property. He (also his brother Perce) was only small in stature—only 5′ 5″ tall, unlike his other brothers who were around the 6′ mark.In his early 20s he came to the South Coast and found work in Coledale Colliery as a groom with thepit ponies. (Three of his future brothers-in-law, Tom,Fred and Cecil Allen were also employed there in the same capacity.) I believe when he was courting he used to ride his horse over the Macquarie Pass to visit his future wife for the weekend when she was staying with her sister Adelaide, at Kangaloon—he was certainly keen.
He and Miriah Emily Allen (known• to everyone as Myra) were married at St. Luke’s at Brownsville on 24th November, 1915—the third Webb brother to marry an Allen Sister; the example of the first two must have made them sure their marriage would succeed and it certainly did. They honeymooned at Katoomba and then lived for several years in a cottage in The Grove at Austinmer. Here a daughter, Miriah Emily Elizabeth was born, but she was a sickly child and only lived for 5 months.
Next move was to Balgownie, where they bought a fair sized farm on the side of a hill with a lovely old stone building called “Seaview”. They lived here till 1927 and their other 5 children were born in this period. Douglas Allen-1917, Thomas Frank-1919, Dulcie-1920, Keith Norman-1922, and Clifford-1924. Farm life was hard in those days—as it was for everyone—they had to start milking at 3 a.m. to get the milk to Balgownie Station for the milk train to Sydney at 6.30 a.m., then do a local milk run. Dad always said in latter years that he was born 40 years too soon, when he’d see the farmers nowadays with their milking machines. Mum was always over at the bails with him, even at that early hour, with the latest baby (safely tucked up in an empty feed trough) with them.
Then came the shift to Bellambi, where they bought a 17 acre property with an old 2 storeyed house on it, which was pulled down and a new house built, using a lot of the timber from the old home. They had a milk run in the Bellambi-East Corrimal area, also kept the old Balgownie run. Stan Webb (from Burrawang) lived with them for many years at Balgownie and Bellambi and used to do the Balgownie run. It was during the Depression Years—milk was only 4 pence a quart and even then a lot of people couldn’t pay—Dad couldn’t see anyone with children go without and would let them have it for nothing. They were hard, heart-breaking years for everyone. I know Mum and Dad had to struggle for years—thank goodness they had their own fruit, vegies and farm products to help them out.
Dad’s large vegetable garden was his pride and joy, and he had a passion for the District Agriculgural Shows—Wollongong, Dapto, Albion Park, etc.—where he always scooped the pool with the prize for the most successful exhibitor in the Vegetable section. He also kept a large stock of poultry and would enter these in the Shows as well. He couldn’t believe it when he won champion with a Rhode Island Red rooster at one of the Royal Easter Shows. In the late 1930s they turned the 2 front rooms of the house into a shop, which was a very successful move. He later built a brick shop and residence on one corner of the property and sold the business. In the early 1950s the Housing Commission resumed the property (later erecting over 60 houses on it) and eventually paid him the equivalent of 60 pounds a block, which was rather unfair as similar blocks were selling around 200 pounds at the time. Still he was happy to be paid at all and he was able to save a block for each of his children.
He was then semi-retired and spent the rest of his days in reasonable health, with his vegie garden and chooks. A little example of his obstinancy—he refused to apply for the old age pension at 65 and the only income he had to live on was the small rent he received from the shop and residence, and the money he made from selling his eggs, poultry and vegies.
He died on 30th September, 1963, at Wollongong Hospital, aged 72 years and was buried at St. Luke’s at Brownsville.
Myra lived till she was 81 in 1974 and is buried alongside him at St. Luke’s. They lived a long, happy life together.
By son Keith
Frank working in his garden alongiside the farm house on Pioneer Road Bellambi
The old Farm House at 65 Pioneer Road Bellambi
EARLY MOSS VALE HISTORY RECALLED
Through the medium of his predecessors, tracing back three generations, the early days of Moss Vale settlement and environment are recalled with the passing of Cecil Herbert Webb, late of Red Hills Road, Moss Vale, on Thursday, August 4, 1978, at the age of 85 years.
The first member of the family to arrive in this country, Robert came from Kent (Eng.) back in 1840 and lay the seed for an illustrious family whose name will long be remembered in its association with the spread of population and industry on the South Coast and Tablelands.
Wife of the late Cecil Webb, Amy, was a member of the Harland family of Inverell, who had transferred to this district, where the couple first met.
He was the 13th in a family of 16 sons and daughters, and they spread far and wide as time went on.
His mother was a member of the Larkin family whose name is associated with Bowman’s Inn, situated at The Briars, Bong Bong, the father of the family, Martin, becoming proprietor of the Hotel Moss Vale—then known as The Terminus and later the Royal Hotel.
The flexibility of labour and the manner in which he was able to adapt himself to almost any calling in life, created quick changes in the life and ambitions of Cecil Webb, but throughout he nursed the ambition to become his own master.
He was on the staff of Searle’s, nurserymen, at Exeter, then became a blacksmith striker on the staff of a coalmine on the South Coast.
From there he turned his hand to work on a dairy run by the Miller family at Gerringong.
He acquired a milk run in Corrimal next, but returned to the farm life on the staff of Frederickson in the Jamberoo area. As might be expected, the transfers that followed rapidly brought variety into the lives of members of his family, and in consequence their son, Gordon, now of “Twin Oaks” dairy, Red Hills Road, attended no less than seven schools during his teenage career.
The next change for this aspiring young man with a wife and growing family took him to the farm of Charlie Smith, Range Road, Mittagong, then he became a sharefarmer, but a further move took him to Camden, where he became a sharefarmer and was later occupied in clearing the land for the establishment of the Camden aerodrome, following the drought of 1940.
His next move took him back to the property of the Frederickson’s in Jamberoo, when industry was being starved for labour during the war years.
His son, Allan, was the first to break away from the coast, and he acquired the wellknown property at Yarrunga where he built up a valuable Friesian herd, which he recently disposed of.
Then followed Gordon and Thomas, to buy an area of 240 acres fronting the Red Hills Road, and set up
the Webb Brothers dairy enterprise. The property was previously owned by the late Ken McCook, and father, with his sons, set about clearing the heavily timbered stretch of land, when the bulldozer was going through its testing period in the clearing of scrub. Hidden from view from the road at Bundanoon Creek bridge, or the Mark Morton Bridge, as it was known for some years after its erection—the property is advanced in pasture improvement and production.
The funeral service was held in Christ Church, Bong Bong, and afterwards, the remains were laid to rest in the cemetery adjoining.
Wife of the deceased died 17 years ago, and the sons and daughter surviving are Bert (Port Kembla), Allan (Crookwell), Thomas, Hazel (Mrs. Tweddle, Wagga) and Gordon.
CECIL AND AMY WEBB
Children of John and Elizabeth Webb
BILL AND ISABEL WEBB
Children of John and Elizabeth Webb
When Les and I went overseas in 1985, we were told about a lady that was still living in Kirkby Stephen, who was a friend of Les’ mother, Isabell. She had actually waved her off on her voyage to Australia. We knocked on a few doors and eventually found Mary Tunstall—she was over 80 years old. She was delighted to meet Belle’s boy “Les”, and within five minutes of us explaining who we were, she walked over to a little table and handed the tattered brown paper clipping to Les. The marriage had been written up in the Kirkby Stephen newspaper. Mary had cut it out and kept it. Two days before our arrival, she had been going through some pattern books and this clipping had fallen out. She was amazed because she had been thinking of her friend of all those years ago, and we walked in. What a lovely thing to happen.
Bessie and Les
KIRKBY STEPHEN YOUNG LADY’S MARRIAGE IN AUSTRALIA
The marriage took place at St. John’s Church, Moss Vale, N.S.W., Australia, by the Rev. A. C. Corlette, on Monday, 22nd September, of Miss Isabell, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Akrigg, of Exeter, and formerly of Wharton, Kirkby Stephen, and Mr. W. Webb, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Webb, of Ferndale, Exeter. The bride was attended by three bridesmaids, Miss Alice Akrigg, sister of the bride, and Misses Lily and Nettie Webb, sisters of the bridegroom. The bridegroom’s present to the bride was a leather travelling bag, and to the bridesmaids a gold bangle, pendant and brooch. The bride’s gift to the bridegroom was a diamond scarf pin and tie. The bride was given away by her brother, Mr. B. Akrigg and Mr. J. Akrigg acted as best man. The bride wore a gown of ivory crepe de chine with cap and veil, trimmed with orange blossom. The bridesmaids wore dresses of white silk with hats to match. The wedding breakfast was provided at the the Royal Hotel by the parents of the bride, after which Mr. and Mrs. Webb motored to the South Coast to spend their honeymoon. The presents were numerous and costly.
WILLIAM ROBERT WEBB
William Robert Webb was born 6-10-1894 the 13th child of John and Elizabeth Webb (nee Larkin). Like his brothers and sisters he grew up with a farming background on “Ferndale” at Exeter. William Robert or “Billie” as he was known married Isabel! Akrigg on 22-9-1919. The reception was held at the Royal Hotel in Moss Vale. It happened to be the first big “do” of one of Billie’s nephews, Cliff Murray, who was aged ten at the time. Now aged a little more than his three score years and ten Cliff recalls the great time he had drinking as much lemonade and creaming soda out of the clear marbled bottles, as he could. Cliff also recalls that the newlyweds took over “Ferndale” after their marriage, “as a going concern” and the rent was six pounds per calendar month.
Another memory is the wonderful school holidays that he spent at the farm, “I spent every one of these at “Ferndale” from 1919 to 1922. Uncle Bill was near the six foot mark, an athletic type and an exceptionally good axeman. Aunty Belle was very much shorter, I’d say about 5′ 4″. She was an attractive lady and I remember she had lovely legs. She played the mandolin very well and was an excellent cook.” He went on to fondly describe them as fun loving, caring and kind. It was the time when a “quid” was not easy to get. “Uncle Bill used to ride a bike in his younger days,” says Cliff, “I remember a fall he had at one time that ‘put off’ a box of wax matches that were in his side trouser pocket, giving him a nasty burn.” Billie and Belle’s first child, Alice Isabel May, was born at “Elouera”, Cliff recalls it was his job to go for Nurse King when she was needed. Their second child Horace Leslie (known as Les) arrived four years later on the 4th November, 1924 and four years after that another son came to join the family, namely Maxwell William, born 26th January, 1928. There was plenty of work to do on the farm, and in the home. A lady by the name of Ruby Phillips was employed to help Belle. She lived with the family for some time.
Bill had a heavy workload on the farm, and it was agreed that he keep a look out for a suitable person to help with the farm work, fencing and general cowyard duties. One day a young man ‘turned up’ and applied for the job, it was Jim Plant. As he approached “Ferndale” he heard loud voices and was loathe to go on, as he thought he had walked in on a domestic problem. He was soon to learn that Ruby had a severe hearing problem, and it was just her and Bill having a chat on the verandah. In later years, Ruby became the first wife of Jim Plant and they both were firm friends of Bill and Belle Webb.
Life went along smoothly at “Ferndale”, until Bill became sick. He continued to work even though he wasn’t well enough and sadly he passed away on 28th November, 1928 with pnuemonia, leaving Belle with three small children, the youngest only 10 months old. The farm was too much for Belle to carry on alone, so a clearing out sale was held, and she used the proceeds to build a home for her family in Suttor Road, Moss Vale. Belle married for the second time in 1937, to James Wallis and they had two children James in 1937 and Peter in 1939. Her happiness was short lived however when she suddenly died with thrombosis on 25th March, 1939. Bill and Belle’s family went different ways after the death of their mother and it wasn’t until a family gathering in a park at Moss Vale that they were all together again. This happened in March, 1981, and the family resemblance was striking.
Bill and Belle’s three children haven’t retained many vivid memories of their grandparents, but it is remembered that Granpa John frequently wore a grey button up type cardigan and that he had a sore on his face, which he kept covered. Granma Betsy was of short and stocky build with the gentlest of faces, framed with grey hair. May, Les and Max went back to “Ferndale” in November, 1979 and tried to rekindle the very faded memories of their very young childhood on the farm but with the exception of a few wisps of “Oh, that’s where the cowbails were,” or “Did we go that way to school?” the memories of that now far off time hadn’t lingered, they were all just too young. After a few photos that record their presence, they left “Ferndale” to its new owners, to a different way of life, that many Webb descendants remember as they think of their forebears and “Ferndale” with loving affection, each wistfully thinking for just a second, “about the times that might have been
LILLIAN AND ATHOL LARKIN
Children of John and Elizabeth Webb
NELLIE AND GILLEAN McLEAN
Children of John and Elizabeth Webb
The Presbyterian Church, Moss Vale, was the scene of a quiet and pretty wedding on Saturday, February 4th, when the marriage of Nellie Irene, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J. Webb “Elouera” Moss Vale, to Hector Gillean, son of the late Mr. L. MacLean and Mrs. MacLean, of Werai, was celebrated. The ceremony was performed by the Rev. J. H. Craig, whilst Mrs. Craig presided at the organ. The bride who was given away by her father, looked charming in a frock of georgette and ivory, satin trimmed, with pearls; she also wore the customary wreath and veil and carried a shower bouquet with white streamers, which together with a solid leather suitcase was the gift of the bridegroom. The bride’s gift to the bridegroom was a gold albeit. The bride was attended by Miss L. Webb and Miss Irene MacLean, sisters of the bride and bridegroom respectively, as bridesmaids, who wore frocks of champagne crepe de chine, hand embroidered, and black hats, and carried bouquets of mixed roses and asparagus fern. The bridegroom’s gifts to the bridesmaids was a gold brooch to Miss L. Webb, and a gold wristlet watch to Miss Irene MacLean. Mr. Allen MacLean and Mr. Alex MacLean, brothers of the bridegroom, acted as bestman and groomsman respectively. After the ceremony a reception was held at the residence of the bride’s parents, at which only the immediate relatives were present. Later, the happy couple motored to the South Coast where the honeymoon was spent. The bride travelled in a navy coat and skirt and hat to match. The presents were numerous and costly, including several substantial cheques.
CHILDREN OF PERC AND MILDRED WEBB
AILEEN AND ALEX McPHAIL
Children of Percival and Mildred Webb
A wedding which attracted widespread attention was celebrated at St. Luke’s, Brownsvile, on Saturday afternoon last, in the presence of a large congregation, when Aileen May, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. P..J.G. Webb, of “Avondale House”, Dapto was united to Mr. John Alexander McPhail, son of Mr. and Mrs. J McPhail, of West Dapto. The church had been beautifully decorated by the Girls’ Friendly Society of which the bride had been a member. Rev. R. S. Chapple was the officiating minister, and as the bride entered the church on the arm of her father, who later gave her away, the choir sang “0 Perfect Love”. The bride had been a member of the choir, and the service was fully choral. The bride was beautifully attired in white chiffon over satin, with silver lace, with the usual wreath and veil and orange blossom, the veil being lent for the occasion by her aunt. Mrs. Cecil Allen. The bride’s train was borne by a little train bearer, Myra Bryce, who was frocked in white gorgette over satin. The two bridesmaids were Misses Doris Webb and Jessie McPhail. Both were attired in the same design of frocks. Miss Doris Webb’s being a blue taffeta and net, while that of Jessie McPhail was pink taffeta and net. Each of the bridal party carried handsome shower bouquets. Mr. J. L. McPhail was best man, and Mr. Ray Webb groomsman. As the register was being signed, Miss Doris Allen contributed the solo “My Prayer”, while as the party left the church, the Wedding March was played by the organist, Miss Mason. The bridesgroom’s gift to the train bearer, Myra Bryce, was a gold armlet, and to the bridesmaids, Doris Webb and Jessie McPhail, a gold armlet and xylonite brush respectively.
The reception was held at “Avondale House” when Mrs. Webb, who received the guests, was frocked becomingly in black crepe satin. Rev. R. S. Chapple presided at the breakfast when the usual toasts were honoured. The bride’s travelling dress was a lido blue, with hat and shoes to tone, her coat being a tailored one, while her fur was the gift of the bridegroom. The honeymoon is being spent on the Blue Mountains. On their departure, the newly married couple were given a rousing send-off at the Dapto railway station. Included amongst the numerous wedding presents displayed at the reception was the canteen of cutlery from the parish of St. Luke’s, while numerous cheques were also in evidence, as well as many congratulatory telegrams.
On Wednesday evening of last week, the St. Luke’s Parish Hall, Dapto, was filled with good wishers who attended the presentation made by the parishioners to Miss Aileen Webb, who the following Saturday was wedded. The evening took the form of a social one with musical items and games, etc. Rev. R. S. Chapple, who presided, after appropriate remarks, made the presentation of a handsome canteen of cutlery, and others who supported the remarks of the Rector were Messrs. G. Lindsay and E. T. Evans, on behalf of the churchwardens; Mrs. Haug, of the Women’s Guild; Mrs. Harris, vice president, on behalf of the Girls’ Friendly Society; and Mr. A. Brooks on behalf of the choir. Altogether, the occasion was a most happy one.
FOR SERVICE’ BADGE TO DAPTO MAN
Mr. Ray W. T. Webb, of Dapto, has been awarded the “For Service” Badge for outstanding service to the Boy Scout movement.
The announcement was made by the Area Scout Commissioner, Mr. C. F. T. Jackson, on behalf of the Chief Commissioner for New South Wales.
Mr. Webb first became associated with Scouting in Dapto in 1934 when he was Assistant Cubmaster of the 1st Dapto Pack for a number of years. Since 1952 he has been associated with Scouting as a Scouter and Group Committee Secretary.
In 1958 he was instrumental in forming the 2nd Dapto Group, of which he was the first Scoutmaster.
He is at present Honorary Secretary of the South Illawarra District Boy Scouts’ Association which position he has held for a number of years, and is secretary of the 2nd Dapto Group and still doing a splendid job for the Boy Scout movement.
The award will be presented to Mr. Webb by the Area Commissioner at a special gathering on Saturday night, September 15, at Mr. Doug Haug’s farm at West Dapto at 8pm where a campfire and barbecue will be held to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the 1st Dapto Scout group.
This will also be a reunion of the former Scouts and Cubs of the group.
The first Cubmaster, Miss Flora MacDonald, and the first Scoutmaster, Mr. Tom Oyston will attend and will be presented with their 30-year Service Stars.
A wedding which linked two of the oldest families of the Dapto district, took place at St. Luke’s Church of England, Brownsville, recently when Miss Connie Clifford, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J. Clifford of Kanahooka Road, was married to Mr. Raymond W. T. Webb, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. P. Webb, of Avondale.
Reverend R. S. Chapple, officiated.
The church was tastefully decorated by friends of the bride with arum lilies and stocks.
The bride, who entered the church on the arm of her father, wore a moulded gown of white velvet, with a long train. An embroidered veil, lent by Mrs. Weir, friend of the bride, was held in place with a halo of pleated tulle adorned with a coronet of orange blossoms; she carried a lovely sheath of carnations and stocks.
The bride was attended by two bridesmaids, Miss Pettifer, of Sydney wore a pink velvet frock and Miss Webb, sister of the bridegroom, wore green velvet with silver girdles and velvet bonnets trimmed with silver lace. They carried sheafs of pink sweet peasand carnations.
The little flowergirl, Betty Schofield, wore a blue velvet frock trimmed with tulle, and carried a basket of pink sweet peas.
The bridegroom was attended by his brother, Mr. P. A. Webb, as bestman, and Mr. Harold Rawson, as groomsman.
While the Register was being signed, Miss Doris Allen sang “My Prayer”.
As the happy couple left the church to the strains of Mendelsohn’s Wedding March, played by Miss Mason, a guard of honour was formed by St. Luke’s Choir, of which the bridegroom is a member; and also by the Dapto Wolf Cubs.
After the ceremony Mr. and Mrs. Clifford entertained between 30 and 40 guests at Excelsior Hall, Wollongong.
At a social evening tendered by the parishioners and friends, many useful and valuable gifts were received.
The bride and bridegroom are spending their honeymoon at Katoomba.
WEBB-CLIFFORD: Ray to Connie, St. Luke’s, Dapto, June 15, 1935. Congratulations from the family, Lois,
A wedding of considerable local interest took place at St. Luke’s Church, Dapto, on Saturday, 24th November, when Doris Emily, second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. P. Webb, of Dapto, was married to Cecil Charles, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. G. McPaul, of Unanderra. Rev. Raymond S. Chapple officiated.
The church was beautifully decorated with Madonna lilies, Dorothy Perkins roses and silver horseshoes.
The bride who entered the church on the arm of her father, who subsequently gave her away, looked charming in a gown of white lace over satin, cut in perfect simplicity, with cowled neck and sleeves and train, many yards in length, over which fell folds of tulle veil, which was held in place by a coronet of orange blossom. A sheaf of Madonna lilies with trailers of white carnations with long satin streamers was carried by the bride.
The bridesmaids, Misses Bessie and Effie Webb, sisters of the bride, wore frocks of pink silk needlerun lace; cascades of frilled georgette fell from the waistline at the back, forming slight trains. They wore matching pink picture hats, with clusters of pink and blue flowers under brim and elbow length gloves with gauntlets of frilled tulle and carried silver baskets of Dorothy Perkins roses and forget-me-nots. Little Fay Bryce acted as train bearer and wore pink starched net over satin with Bo-peep hat and carried similar basket to the bridesmaids. Noel McPhail, nephew of the bride, was pageboy, dressed in white satin suit. Mr. W. McPaul, brother of the bridegroom, acted as bestman, assisted by Mr. S. Fackender, as groomsman. Miss Mason presided at the organ. During the signing of the register, a solo was sung “All Joy be Thine” by Miss Doris Allen.
The reception was held at the Masonic Hall, Dapto, where the bride’s mother, frocked in black lace trimmed with pleated georgette, and carrying posy of pink carnations, assisted by Mrs. McPaul, frocked in navy tucked crepe-de-chene, carrying posy of red carnations, entertained 35 guests.
A brown floral morocain with swagger coat, hat and shoes to tone were worn by the bride when leaving for Melbourne.
St Luke’s Church of England, Brownsville, was beautifully decorated by friends on Saturday, 14th February, when Bessie, third daughter of Mr. and Mrs. P. J. Webb, was married to Mr. S. Fackender, son of Mr. and Mrs.G. Fackender, of Unanderra.
The bride wore a trained gown of magnolia mariette, daintily trimmed with lace and true lovers’ knots, and wore a two-string set of pearls, gift of the bridegroom; also a cut tulle veil with a coronet of orange blossoms, lent by Mrs. J. Wilson, and carried a beautiful bouquet of frangipanni and pink roses.
The ceremony was performed by Rev. M. A. Payten. Miss Allen presided at the organ and while the register was being signed Mrs. Barwise sang “I’ll Walk Beside You”.
The bride, who entered the church on the arm of her father, was preceded up the aisle by fellow members of the choir to the strains of Mendelsohn’s Wedding March, and the service was fully choral.
Miss Nella Cochrane, who attended the bride, was prettily attired in a mist blue net frock and carried a bouquet of pink tiger lilies and gladioli. Little Judith Barwise and Kevin McPhail acted as flower girl and page boy respectively.
Mr. James Webb, the bride’s younger brother, was best man.
A reception was held at the Masonic Hall, where Mrs. Webb, the bride’s mother, assisted by Mrs. Fackender, received the guests. Rev. Payten presided at the reception, and the customary toasts were honoured. The wedding cake was made by Mrs. McPhail, the bride’s sister.
Later the couple left for Katoomba, the bride wearing a dusty pink frock with black accessories.
MRS. BESSIE FACKENDER (nee Webb)
I was born Bessie Webb, on 13-6-1911 and married Stan Fackender on the 14-2-1942.
The Webb family were connected with the Moss Vale district for many years, my Grandfather being the first white boy born in the Moss Vale district. He married Elizabeth Larkin.
My family came to the coast in 1909 and settled at a farm in Marshall Mount. While they lived at Marshall Mount I was born at a private hospital in Dapto opposite Cleveland Road, which was attended by Dr. Henry. About 1917 the family came to Dapto and lived at “Cleveland” on the Cleveland Road. They farmed this property for 3 years. These must have been very rainy seasons as I have recollections of wading through mud on many occasions. While living there I can remember hearing the whistles and celebrations for the end of World War I.
In 1920, Dad purchased the “Avondale House” property which was less than a mile away, and we moved in there. The furniture, etc., was moved by cart and slide and sulky, all horse drawn. Most of the family walked and carried small items. No removalist vans in those days. Avondale was one of the Osborne Homes and a lovely place surrounded by beautiful trees. There was an acre or so of Seville orange trees (why all seville oranges I don’t know). They looked like lovely sweet juicy oranges, so many a prank was played on unsuspecting visitors. Never the less the oranges made good jam. Here the family grew up in a happy environment.
In those days the coast was mainly agricultural. My father kept Illawarra Shorthorn cattle, while others in the district fancied other breeds. The Browns kept Jerseys and the Lindsays kept Ayrshires. There was a small school at Avondale which my older and younger sisters and brothers attended, but when it was time for me to start the school was closed for a short time and I had to go to Dapto, riding 3 miles each way. I was nearly 9 when I started school. The Dapto school at that time was where the Technical College now stands. The school occupied this site until 11th June, 1928, when a new school was built in Byamee Street. We had to travel to school through all weathers. Going to Dapto school wasn’t so bad as we had a horse paddock at the school, but when it came to secondary school I had to ride 3 miles to Dapto and leave my horse at my Grandmother’s place then walk a mile to the railway and catch a train at 8.15 a.m. On arrival in Wollongong I walked a mile to the Wollongong Domestic Science School. This order was reversed on the return journey. One had to be pretty fit to cope with it.
Living in a farm situation all the family had their chores to do. Milking, feeding calves, fowls, pigs, etc., so there weren’t many idle moments.
Entertainment: Church concerts and tea meetings were held. Agricultural shows and exhibits were of special interest and we followed the shows all along the coast. The Agricultural Ball and Masonic Debutante Ball were big events of the year. I was a deb at the first Presentation Ball at Dapto. With a large family we had a large circle of friends and met them on picnics and hikes and at home parties where we played cards, ping pong and other parlor games. We had a tennis court at our home and held many enjoyable tennis matches.
In the early days they had a picture show at the Agricultural Hall. A piano gave the sound effects with captions under the scenes. Charlie Chaplin and Mary Pickford, being two of the silent stars I remember well. Later came talking pictures. One of my favourites, “Captain Courageous” with Spencer Tracey and Mickey Rooney. When colour movies came it brought everything to life with spectacular musicals and dancing shows. Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. The first full length talkie film was “The Jazz Singer” released world wide in 1924. Al Jolson starred in it. Later the Regal Theatre was built in Dapto, so we didn’t have to travel to Wollongong to visit other theatres.
While living at Avondale House we had no electricity but in the living rooms we had hanging kerosene lamps. There was no town water so we depended on tanks, but for washing and gardening, water was pumped from a large underground well.
We had the phone connected about 1926. In those years we had no bitumen roads, only blue metal which needed continual patching up with the old steam roller.
The earliest in radios were crystal radios. War time caused a big step forward in this communication. In 1923, 2BL and 2FC were registered and commenced broadcasting. 2WL commenced in 1931. Television has been enjoyed since 1958, of course starting in Sydney and Melbourne. Later in country districts.
Aeroplanes were causing much interest about this time. In 1927 Bert Hinkler made first England to Australia solo flight. 1928 Kingsford Smith and Ulm piloted Southern Cross on the first Trans Pacific flight. In 1930 Amy Johnson, a British pilot, flew solo from England to Australia in a patched up light aircraft. Also in 1930 the first regular air passenger service from Brisbane to Sydney became operational. 1933 Kingsford Smith took off from Seven Mile Beach for pioneer crossing of the Tasman Sea (mail). 1934 Qantas inaugurates London-Australia air-mail service via Singapore. In 1935 Sir Charles Kingsford Smith died attempting England to Australia record. Man first walked on the moon on 21-7-1969 marking another step forward in the history of world exploration.
At both “Avondale” and “Lake View” we held Sunday School in our home. In 1936 after several of the family were married, Mum and Dad with the three unmarried members of the family, moved to “Lake View” on Kanahooka Road overlooking Lake Illawarra. It wasn’t long before the rest of us had chosen our mates and were preparing to get married.
The house we lived in at Kanahooka was the office block of the Dapto Smelting Works. On our arrival it was in a derelict state but after much work it was made into a very solid, comfortable and attractive home. The assay office was next to the house but during the depression all timbers, windows, doors and roofing were removed and sold. The whole building deteriorated and while we were there three peach trees grew in one of the rooms.
In 1942 when Stan and I married, we built a home on Kanahooka Road, but by this time my mother was very sick and we stayed on to look after her. When after three months in hospital my mother died in 1949, we sold our new home and stayed on with my father. When he died in 1960, I bought the property and we lived there till December 1976. We sold it then and it has been converted into the “Lake View” Restaurant. Recently we attended a wedding reception there and it was nicely catered for and a very pleasant place to enjoy the festivities. It certainly brought back many pleasant memories.
Our family of four grew up at “Lake View”. It was a children’s paradise with all the exciting things to do. Like most children they made the most of it. Entertaining all their mates. There was a large, round well they used for skating and riding their bikes and a large rectangular well which was used as a tennis court.
GEORGE ALLEN 1836 AND MARY ANNE HALLETT 1837
George Allen was born in Shepton, Beauchamp, Somersetshire, England. The son of Ambrose and Mary Anne Allen, he was baptised 18th September, 1836. On 28th February, 1857, George married Mary Anne Hallett in the Parish of Shepton, Beauchamp. They were both under age but must have had sout hearts as on the 25th June, 1857 they arrived in Australia on the ship Anna Maria. George was 20 years and Mary Anne 19 years. George was a farm labourer and Mary
Anne a servant. Neither of them could read or write.
The next record we have of the family is the birth of Thomas at East Bargo in 1859. He had a brother George born in 1858 but there is no more information on him. George Snr. was at this time a farmer. The family probably moved later to Sutton Forest, where Thomas married Emily Louisa Whitney. Up to date we have no record of George and Mary Anne’s death.
THOMAS ALLEN 1859-1919 and
EMILY LOUISA WHITNEY 1860-1932
Thomas Allen married Emily Louisa Whitney at All Saints C. of E. Sutton Forest in 1879. When their large family of 10 (7 daughters and 3 sons) were growing up, they lived at “The Meadows” Exeter from where some of the family were married. Later they moved to the coast to the Dapto area, finally settling at “Benares” Cleveland Road, Dapto. Thomas was considered one of the most progressive farmers in the district. After falling from his horse, he suffered a broken foot, causing his health to fail and eventually he died from pneumonia, aged 60 years. His remains were interred at St. Luke’s, Brownsville.
Emily Louisa must have been a remarkable woman as along with her own large family, she took the responsibility for her own brothers and sisters, as her mother had died at an early age and also her husband’s brothers and sisters. Emily, after the death of her husband, moved to “Warooka” Dapto, where with her three unmarried daughters, she kept open house for family and friends. At her death she was laid to rest with her husband at St. Luke’s C. of E., Brownsville.
AMES WHITNEY 1836-1914 AND MIRIAH RUDD 1844-1881
In the year 1818, a James Whitney with his wife, Elizabeth Pearce and three children came to Australia on the ship Tottenham. James, 33 years, Elizabeth, 21 years, their children Mary Ann, Sarah and baby Samuel. It is not known how many other children there were, but James and Elizabeth were the parents of James (7th August, 1836) who married Mariah Rudd. Miriah died at the age of 37 years leaving five daughters and four sons living and two males deceased. James spent his declining years at “Farmborouth” Kembla Grange. He was interred at St. Luke’s cemetery, Brownsville on the 25th May, 1914, Miriah was buried at All Saints C. of E. cemetery at Sutton Forest on 31st October, 1881.
WEBB’S RE-UNION DAY 11-11-79 AT
The word has spread around the land, The phones were hot and buzzin’, Re-union day is here again
Please come and meet your cousin.
We’re all excited with the news
And start to count and ponder, The…years are long since last we met
And now we really wonder.
Will our relations know us
As we mingle with the flock, Better still, will we know them Or will we suffer shock.
The years bring many changes
As we our ways pursue, Our Uncle’s step gets slower
And we add a wrinkle too.
Will we know our kinfolk
On this re-union day,
Or will shyness overtake us
As our family we survey.
Let’s meet, and bless our fore-bears And wish that they could see, The branches that are spreading On this their family tree.
So write your name upon the tag
And do not make a fuss,
Smile, shake hands and talk awhile
Because you’re one of us.
Almost all of the photographic reproductions done by Richard Fackender.
The remaining by Graham Webb